962  
WTPZ45 KNHC 241435  
TCDEP5  
 
TROPICAL STORM JOHN DISCUSSION NUMBER 9  
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP102024  
900 AM CST TUE SEP 24 2024  
 
JOHN HAS BEEN RAPIDLY WEAKENING SINCE IT MOVED INLAND LAST NIGHT,  
AND THE MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NOW ESTIMATED TO BE AROUND 35  
KT. THE STORM STILL HAS A WELL-DEFINED MID-LEVEL CENTER, BUT  
SURFACE OBSERVATIONS SUGGEST THAT THE LOW-LEVEL CIRCULATION IS  
LESS DEFINED AND COULD BE OPENING INTO A TROUGH. A STRONG BAND OF  
THUNDERSTORMS TO THE EAST OF THE ESTIMATED CENTER CONTINUES TO  
PRODUCE HEAVY RAINS ACROSS PORTIONS OF SOUTHERN MEXICO.  
 
THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF UNCERTAINTY IN THE FUTURE OF JOHN. ONE  
POSSIBILITY IS THAT THE STORM DISSIPATES OVER MEXICO, WITH A TROUGH  
OR LOW REFORMING BACK OFFSHORE AND LINGERING IN THAT LOCATION FOR  
MUCH OF THE REST OF THE WEEK. THE OTHER POSSIBILITY IS THAT JOHN  
ITSELF HANGS ON AS A TROPICAL DEPRESSION OR STORM. FOR NOW, THE  
OFFICIAL FORECAST GENERALLY FOLLOWS THE PREVIOUS SCENARIO AND SHOWS  
JOHN WEAKENING TO A TROPICAL DEPRESSION LATER TODAY AND LINGERING  
NEAR THE COAST OF SOUTHERN AND SOUTHWESTERN MEXICO UNTIL THE END OF  
THE WEEK. IT IS HOPED THAT ADDITIONAL DATA AND MODEL RUNS LATER  
TODAY WILL HELP PROVIDE SOME CLARITY ON THE SYSTEM'S FUTURE.  
 
EVEN THOUGH THE FUTURE OF JOHN IS UNCERTAIN, THERE IS HIGH  
CONFIDENCE THAT HEAVY RAINS WILL CONTINUE IN PORTIONS OF SOUTHERN  
AND SOUTHWESTERN MEXICO DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. SEE THE KEY  
MESSAGES BELOW FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT HAZARD.  
 
 
KEY MESSAGES:  
 
1. SLOW-MOVING JOHN WILL CONTINUE TO BRING VERY HEAVY RAINFALL TO  
COASTAL PORTIONS OF SOUTHERN AND SOUTHWESTERN MEXICO THROUGH THE  
UPCOMING WEEK. THIS HEAVY RAINFALL WILL LIKELY CAUSE SIGNIFICANT AND  
POSSIBLY CATASTROPHIC, LIFE-THREATENING FLASH FLOODING AND MUDSLIDES  
TO THE MEXICAN STATES OF CHIAPAS, OAXACA, AND SOUTHEAST GUERRERO,  
PARTICULARLY IN AREAS NEAR THE COAST AND ALONG THE UP-SLOPE PORTION  
OF AREAS OF HIGHER TERRAIN.  
 
2. JOHN COULD STILL PRODUCE TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS FOR THE NEXT  
COUPLE OF HOURS IN THE TROPICAL STORM WARNING AREA.  
 
 
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS  
 
INIT 24/1500Z 17.7N 100.5W 35 KT 40 MPH...INLAND  
12H 25/0000Z 17.7N 101.1W 30 KT 35 MPH...INLAND  
24H 25/1200Z 17.3N 101.1W 30 KT 35 MPH...OVER WATER  
36H 26/0000Z 17.1N 100.8W 30 KT 35 MPH  
48H 26/1200Z 17.4N 100.7W 25 KT 30 MPH...INLAND  
60H 27/0000Z 17.7N 100.8W 25 KT 30 MPH...INLAND  
72H 27/1200Z...DISSIPATED  
 

 
FORECASTER CANGIALOSI  
 
 
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