933  
WTPZ45 KNHC 252052  
TCDEP5  
 
TROPICAL STORM JOHN DISCUSSION NUMBER 12  
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP102024  
300 PM CST WED SEP 25 2024  
 
JOHN IS BECOMING MORE ORGANIZED THIS AFTERNOON. SATELLITE IMAGERY  
HAS SHOWN DEEP BURSTS OF CONVECTION FORMING NEAR THE CENTER WITH  
CURVED BANDING AROUND THE MAJORITY OF THE CIRCULATION. SUBJECTIVE  
DVORAK FROM TAFB AND SAB WERE 3.5/55 KT AND 2.5/35 KT, RESPECTIVELY,  
AND THE INITIAL INTENSITY FOR THIS ADVISORY IS SET TO 45 KT TO  
REPRESENT A BLEND OF THESE ESTIMATES. AN AIR FORCE HURRICANE  
RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT IS EN ROUTE TO INVESTIGATE JOHN AND GATHER  
MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE INTENSITY, LOCATION, AND STRUCTURE. THE  
TROPICAL-STORM-FORCE WINDS IN THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT HAVE BEEN  
ADJUSTED OUTWARD SIGNIFICANTLY BASED ON AN EARLIER PARTIAL ASCAT  
PASS.  
 
LITTLE HAS CHANGED IN THE INTENSITY FORECAST REASONING. OCEANIC AND  
ATMOSPHERIC CONDITIONS ARE CONDUCIVE FOR FURTHER INTENSIFICATION, AS  
LONG AS THE STORM REMAINS OVER WATER. SHIPS-RII, A RAPID  
INTENSIFICATION INDICATOR, SHOWS ABOUT A 70 PERCENT CHANCE OF RAPID  
INTENSIFICATION IN THE NEXT 24 HOURS. THE OFFICIAL INTENSITY  
FORECAST NOW SHOWS JOHN BECOMING A HURRICANE IN 24 HOURS AS IT NEARS  
THE COAST OF SOUTHWESTERN MEXICO. THIS FORECAST IS NEAR THE TOP OF  
THE GUIDANCE, CLOSEST TO HCCA, BUT COULD STILL BE CONSERVATIVE.  
 
JOHN IS MOVING WITH AN ESTIMATED MOTION OF 355/3 KT. THE TRACK  
FORECAST IS RATHER UNCERTAIN. MODEL GUIDANCE HAS SHIFTED WESTWARD,  
AND IS SHOWING JOHN EITHER NEARLY STATIONARY OR SLOWLY FOLLOWING THE  
COASTLINE NORTHWESTWARD. THIS MOTION SEEMS TO DEPEND ON THE  
STRENGTH OF THE RIDGE TO THE NORTH-NORTHWEST, WHICH IS CENTERED OVER  
THE SOUTHWESTERN UNITED STATES. HOWEVER, THE CURRENT MOTION  
SUGGESTS JOHN SHOULD MOVE CLOSER TO THE COAST WITH THE CENTER  
LIKELY TO MOVE INLAND ON THURSDAY AFTERNOON OR EVENING, THOUGH  
THIS COULD OCCUR SOONER. FUTURE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE TRACK FORECAST  
MAY BE NECESSARY, AND THERE REMAINS A LARGE SPREAD IN THE AIDS.  
 
A HURRICANE WARNING HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE GOVERNMENT OF MEXICO FOR  
PORTIONS OF THE COAST OF SOUTHWESTERN MEXICO, AND INTERESTS THERE  
SHOULD CLOSELY MONITOR FUTURE FORECASTS FOR UPDATES. THE TROPICAL  
STORM WARNING AND HURRICANE WATCH HAVE ALSO BEEN EXTENDED WESTWARD.  
 
KEY MESSAGES:  
 
1. TROPICAL STORM JOHN WILL BRING ADDITIONAL VERY HEAVY RAINFALL TO  
COASTAL PORTIONS OF SOUTHWEST MEXICO THROUGH FRIDAY. THE ADDITIONAL  
RAINFALL TOTALS WILL BE FALLING ACROSS AREAS THAT HAVE RECEIVED VERY  
HEAVY RAINFALL AMOUNTS OVER THE PAST FEW DAYS. THIS HEAVY RAINFALL  
WILL LIKELY CAUSE SIGNIFICANT AND CATASTROPHIC LIFE-THREATENING  
FLASH FLOODING AND MUDSLIDES TO THE MEXICAN STATES OF GUERRERO,  
OAXACA AND MICHOACAN.  
 
2. JOHN IS FORECAST TO STRENGTHEN TO A HURRICANE BEFORE LANDFALL,  
AND A HURRICANE WARNING HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR A PORTION OF THE  
COASTLINE OF SOUTHWESTERN MEXICO, WHERE TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS  
COULD BEGIN LATER TODAY. THE TROPICAL STORM WARNING AND HURRICANE  
WATCH HAVE ALSO BEEN EXTENDED WESTWARD.  
 
 
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS  
 
INIT 25/2100Z 16.8N 101.5W 45 KT 50 MPH  
12H 26/0600Z 17.1N 101.5W 60 KT 70 MPH  
24H 26/1800Z 17.5N 101.5W 65 KT 75 MPH  
36H 27/0600Z 18.0N 101.6W 40 KT 45 MPH...INLAND  
48H 27/1800Z 18.2N 102.1W 25 KT 30 MPH...INLAND  
60H 28/0600Z...DISSIPATED  
 

 
FORECASTER BUCCI/R. ZELINSKY  
 
 
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