233  
WTPZ45 KNHC 260335 CCA  
TCDEP5  
 
TROPICAL STORM JOHN DISCUSSION NUMBER 13...CORRECTED  
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP102024  
900 PM CST WED SEP 25 2024  
 
CORRECTED HURRICANE TO TROPICAL STORM JOHN  
 
AN AIR FORCE RESERVE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT JUST FINISHED ITS  
INVESTIGATION OF TROPICAL STORM JOHN AND FOUND THAT THE CENTRAL  
PRESSURE HAS DROPPED TO 984 MB. DROPSONDE DATA AND SFMR DATA  
SUPPORT AN INTENSITY OF 55 KT, WHICH IS ALSO THE AVERAGE OF THE  
LATEST TAFB AND SAB INTENSITY ESTIMATES. SATELLITE IMAGERY SHOWS A  
VERY LARGE AREA OF VERY COLD CLOUD TOPS. BASED ON THE AVAILABLE  
DATA, THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS INCREASED TO 55 KT.  
 
BASED ON FIXES FROM THE AIR FORCE PLANE, THE INITIAL MOTION IS  
ESTIMATED TO BE NORTHWESTWARD, OR 325/4 KT. THE MODEL GUIDANCE HAS  
MADE A BIG SHIFT TO THE WEST ON THIS CYCLE, WHICH MAKES SENSE SINCE  
JOHN HAS BEEN MOVING SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE WEST OF THE PREVIOUS NHC  
FORECAST TRACK. THE NEW NHC TRACK FORECAST HAS BEEN SHIFTED WELL  
TO THE WEST, AND CURRENTLY LIES SLIGHTLY TO THE EAST OF THE LATEST  
TRACK CONSENSUS AIDS. THE WESTWARD SHIFT TO THE TRACK HAS  
NECESSITATED THE HURRICANE WARNINGS TO BE SHIFTED FARTHER WEST  
ALONG THE COAST OF MEXICO. THE NEW FORECAST SHOWS LANDFALL  
OCCURRING ABOUT 40 TO 50 MILES FARTHER TO THE WEST COMPARED TO THE  
PREVIOUS OFFICIAL FORECAST, WITH THE FORECAST LANDFALL NOW WELL TO  
THE WEST OF LAZARO CARDENAS LATER THURSDAY NIGHT. IT SHOULD BE  
NOTED THAT THERE IS STILL QUITE A BIT OF UNCERTAINTY IN THE TRACK  
FORECAST.  
 
TROPICAL STORM JOHN IS CURRENTLY LOCATED OVER 31C SEA-SURFACE  
TEMPERATURES, WHICH IS EXTREMELY WARM. THE TROPICAL STORM IS ALSO  
IN A MOIST ENVIRONMENT AND APPEARS TO ALSO HAVE A FAVORABLE  
UPPER-LEVEL WIND ENVIRONMENT. BOTH THE GFS-SHIPS AND THE  
ECMWF-SHIPS RAPID-INTENSITY-INDEX SHOWS A VERY HIGH CHANCE OF RAPID  
INTENSIFICATION OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS. THE NEW NHC INTENSITY  
FORECAST HAS BEEN INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY FROM THE PREVIOUS OFFICIAL  
FORECAST, AND LIES NEAR THE HIGH END OF THE LATEST INTENSITY  
GUIDANCE SUITE. GIVEN THE EXTREMELY FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENTAL  
CONDITIONS, IT WOULDN'T BE SURPRISING IF FURTHER INCREASES TO THE  
INTENSITY FORECAST ARE NEEDED ON SUBSEQUENT FORECASTS.  
 
ALTHOUGH THIS FORECAST SHOWS DISSIPATION BY HOUR 60, THERE IS A  
CHANCE THAT JOHN COULD SURVIVE A BIT LONGER, MOVING  
WEST-NORTHWESTWARD NEAR THE COAST OF MEXICO.  
 
IT CANNOT BE EMPHASIZED ENOUGH THAT CATASTROPHIC LIFE-THREATENING  
FLASH FLOODING AND MUDSLIDES ARE EXPECTED TO CONTINUE THROUGH THE  
END OF THE WEEK FOR PORTIONS OF THE MEXICAN STATES OF GUERRERO,  
OAXACA AND MICHOACAN.  
 
 
KEY MESSAGES:  
 
1. TROPICAL STORM JOHN WILL BRING ADDITIONAL VERY HEAVY RAINFALL TO  
COASTAL PORTIONS OF SOUTHWEST MEXICO THROUGH FRIDAY. THE ADDITIONAL  
RAINFALL TOTALS WILL BE FALLING ACROSS AREAS THAT HAVE RECEIVED VERY  
HEAVY RAINFALL AMOUNTS OVER THE PAST FEW DAYS. THIS HEAVY RAINFALL  
WILL LIKELY CAUSE SIGNIFICANT AND CATASTROPHIC LIFE-THREATENING  
FLASH FLOODING AND MUDSLIDES TO THE MEXICAN STATES OF GUERRERO,  
OAXACA AND MICHOACAN.  
 
2. JOHN IS FORECAST TO STRENGTHEN TO A HURRICANE BEFORE LANDFALL,  
AND THE HURRICANE WARNING HAS BEEN EXTENDED WESTWARD ALONG THE  
COASTLINE OF SOUTHWESTERN MEXICO, WHERE TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS  
COULD BEGIN WITHIN THE NEXT FEW HOURS. TROPICAL STORM WARNINGS ARE  
ALSO IN EFFECT FOR PORTIONS OF THE AREA.  
 
 
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS  
 
INIT 26/0300Z 17.0N 102.1W 55 KT 65 MPH  
12H 26/1200Z 17.3N 102.3W 65 KT 75 MPH  
24H 27/0000Z 17.7N 102.5W 80 KT 90 MPH  
36H 27/1200Z 18.1N 102.7W 70 KT 80 MPH...INLAND  
48H 28/0000Z 18.4N 103.2W 30 KT 35 MPH...INLAND  
60H 28/1200Z...DISSIPATED  
 
 
FORECASTER HAGEN  
 
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