657  
WTPZ45 KNHC 270235  
TCDEP5  
 
TROPICAL STORM JOHN DISCUSSION NUMBER 17  
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP102024  
900 PM CST THU SEP 26 2024  
 
THE CONVECTION NEAR THE CENTER OF JOHN HAS WEAKENED SIGNIFICANTLY  
OVER THE PAST 12 HOURS. A CURVED BAND OFF TO THE SOUTHWEST AND WEST  
OF JOHN'S CENTER IS PRODUCING A CONTINUOUS LARGE AREA OF DEEP  
CONVECTION. SUBJECTIVE DVORAK CURRENT INTENSITY ESTIMATES FROM TAFB  
AND SAB RANGE FROM 65 TO 77 KT, BUT THE OBJECTIVE INTENSITY  
ESTIMATES FROM UW-CIMSS RANGE FROM 49 TO 56 KT. SINCE THE CONVECTION  
OVER THE CENTER HAS WARMED ON INFRARED IMAGERY AND APPEARS TO BE  
LESS ORGANIZED OVER THE PAST 12 HOURS, THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS  
BEING LOWERED TO 60 KT FOR THIS ADVISORY.  
 
JOHN HAS BEEN MOVING NORTHWESTWARD, OR 315/4 KT, WHICH IS A BIT  
FASTER THAN BEFORE. THIS SLOW MOTION IS FORECAST TO CONTINUE FOR  
ANOTHER 12 TO 24 H, AS JOHN MOVES NEAR THE COASTLINE OR JUST INLAND  
LATE TONIGHT AND EARLY TOMORROW. AFTER THAT, A TURN TO THE  
WEST-NORTHWEST WITH SOME ACCELERATION IS FORECAST, IF JOHN SURVIVES  
ITS INTERACTION WITH THE HIGHER TOPOGRAPHY IN THIS PART OF MEXICO.  
THE LATEST TRACK FORECAST IS A LITTLE TO THE LEFT AND SLIGHTLY  
FASTER THAN THE PREVIOUS FORECAST, AND IS VERY NEAR THE LASTEST HCCA  
CORRECTED CONSENSUS AID.  
 
IT SEEMS UNLIKELY THAT JOHN WILL BE ABLE TO RESTRENGTHEN SINCE THE  
CENTER IS NOW JUST 20 MILES FROM THE COASTLINE AND IS FORECAST TO  
MOVE EVEN CLOSER TO THE COAST OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL HOURS. SINCE  
JOHN'S CORE HAS BEEN DISRUPTED BY THE TOPOGRAPHY TODAY, IT IS  
UNLIKELY TO RECOVER, DESPITE RELATIVELY FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENTAL  
CONDITIONS. LITTLE CHANGE IN STRENGTH, OR PERHAPS SLOW WEAKENING,  
IS LIKELY OVER THE NEXT 12 HOURS UNTIL THE CENTER REACHES THE  
COASTLINE. THEREAFTER, FASTER WEAKENING IS EXPECTED ON FRIDAY AS THE  
CENTER MOVES NEAR OR ALONG THE COASTLINE. THE LATEST NHC INTENSITY  
FORECAST IS NEAR THE MIDDLE OF THE INTENSITY GUIDANCE SUITE. IT IS  
QUITE POSSIBLE THAT JOHN COULD WEAKEN TO A REMNANT LOW AND DISSIPATE  
SOONER THAN FORECAST.  
 
 
KEY MESSAGES:  
 
1. TROPICAL STORM JOHN WILL BRING ADDITIONAL VERY HEAVY RAINFALL TO  
COASTAL PORTIONS OF SOUTHWEST MEXICO THROUGH FRIDAY. THE ADDITIONAL  
RAINFALL TOTALS WILL BE FALLING ACROSS AREAS THAT HAVE RECEIVED VERY  
HEAVY RAINFALL AMOUNTS OVER THE PAST FEW DAYS. THIS HEAVY RAINFALL  
WILL LIKELY CAUSE SIGNIFICANT AND CATASTROPHIC LIFE-THREATENING  
FLASH FLOODING AND MUDSLIDES TO THE MEXICAN STATES OF GUERRERO AND  
MICHOACáN.  
 
2. JOHN IS FORECAST TO CONTINUE BRINGING TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS  
ACROSS PORTIONS OF THE TROPICAL STORM WARNINGS AREA THROUGH FRIDAY.  
 
 
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS  
 
INIT 27/0300Z 17.9N 103.2W 60 KT 70 MPH  
12H 27/1200Z 18.3N 103.4W 55 KT 65 MPH...INLAND  
24H 28/0000Z 19.0N 104.4W 35 KT 40 MPH...OVER WATER  
36H 28/1200Z 19.5N 105.7W 25 KT 30 MPH  
48H 29/0000Z 20.2N 107.0W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW  
60H 29/1200Z 20.8N 108.6W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW  
72H 30/0000Z...DISSIPATED  
 

 
FORECASTER HAGEN  
 
 
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