281  
WTPZ45 KNHC 271433  
TCDEP5  
 
TROPICAL STORM JOHN DISCUSSION NUMBER 19  
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP102024  
900 AM CST FRI SEP 27 2024  
 
JOHN'S SATELLITE DEPICTION HAS BANDING MAINLY CONCENTRATED ON THE  
SOUTHERN SEMICIRCLE. THE CENTER OF THE SYSTEM IS VERY NEAR OR JUST  
TOUCHING THE COAST OF SOUTHWESTERN MEXICO. THERE CONTINUES TO BE  
BURST OF CONVECTION WITHIN THE CURVED BANDS TO THE SOUTH OF THE  
CENTER, AND GLM DATA DEPICTS PLENTY OF LIGHTNING WITHIN THE BANDS.  
THE VARIOUS OBJECTIVE AND SUBJECTIVE SATELLITE INTENSITY ESTIMATES  
RANGE FROM 35 TO 55 KT. GIVEN THE SATELLITE PRESENTATION WILL LEAN  
TO THE HIGHER SIDE OF THESE ESTIMATES, WITH AN INITIAL INTENSITY FOR  
THIS ADVISORY AT 50 KT.  
 
THE CENTER OF JOHN IS RIGHT ALONG THE COAST, AND GRADUAL WEAKENING  
SHOULD CONTINUE AS THE STORM MOVES INLAND OR MOVES ALONG THE  
COASTLINE. LATER TODAY, THE HIGH MOUNTAINOUS TERRAIN WILL DISRUPT  
THE LOW-LEVEL CIRCULATION AND A FASTER RATE OF WEAKENING SHOULD  
ENSUE. BEYOND THE NEXT 24 H, THE FORECAST IS HIGHLY DEPENDENT IF THE  
CENTER OF JOHN SURVIVES THE INTERACTION WITH LAND, AND COULD  
DISSIPATE SOONER THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY FORECAST. IF THE SURFACE  
CENTER REMAINS INTACT AND DOESN'T DISSIPATE, THE REMNANTS SHOULD  
RE-EMERGE OVER THE WATER IN A FEW DAYS, ALTHOUGH MODELS DO NOT SHOW  
REGENERATION AND KEEP THE SYSTEM AS A REMNANT LOW. THE NHC INTENSITY  
FORECAST LIES NEAR THE HCCA AND SIMPLE CONSENSUS AIDS.  
 
JOHN'S INITIAL MOTION IS ESTIMATED TO BE NORTHWESTWARD, OR 320/3  
KT, AND A TURN TO THE WEST-NORTHWEST WITH A SLIGHT INCREASE IN  
FORWARD SPEED IS FORECAST, PROVIDED JOHN SURVIVES ITS INTERACTION  
WITH MOUNTAINOUS TERRAIN. THE TRACK FORECAST IS SIMILAR TO THE  
PREVIOUS FORECAST AND LIES TO THE RIGHT OF THE PREVIOUS FORECAST.  
 
 
KEY MESSAGES:  
 
1. TROPICAL STORM JOHN WILL BRING ADDITIONAL VERY HEAVY RAINFALL TO  
COASTAL PORTIONS OF SOUTHWEST MEXICO THROUGH FRIDAY. THE ADDITIONAL  
RAINFALL TOTALS WILL BE FALLING ACROSS AREAS THAT HAVE RECEIVED VERY  
HEAVY RAINFALL AMOUNTS OVER THE PAST FEW DAYS. THIS HEAVY RAINFALL  
WILL LIKELY CAUSE SIGNIFICANT AND CATASTROPHIC LIFE-THREATENING  
FLASH FLOODING AND MUDSLIDES TO THE MEXICAN STATES OF GUERRERO AND  
MICHOACáN.  
 
2. JOHN IS FORECAST TO CONTINUE BRINGING TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS  
ACROSS PORTIONS OF THE TROPICAL STORM WARNINGS AREA THROUGH TODAY.  
 
 
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS  
 
INIT 27/1500Z 18.1N 103.0W 50 KT 60 MPH  
12H 28/0000Z 18.8N 103.8W 35 KT 40 MPH...INLAND  
24H 28/1200Z 19.4N 105.1W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW  
36H 29/0000Z 19.9N 106.5W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW  
48H 29/1200Z 20.4N 108.3W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW  
60H 30/0000Z...DISSIPATED  
 
 
FORECASTER KELLY  
 
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