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FXUS66 KPQR 172320  
AFDPQR  
 
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PORTLAND OR  
320 PM PST SUN NOV 17 2024  
   
SYNOPSIS
 
A PROLONGED PERIOD OF ACTIVE WEATHER HAS FINALLY  
BEGUN ACROSS PACIFIC NORTHWEST. WE’LL START OFF WITH IMPACTS  
FOCUSED ON HEAVY SNOW GENERALLY ABOVE 2,000 FT WHICH IS NOW IN  
PROGRESSES ACROSS THE CASCADES PASSES AS WELL AS VALLEY RAIN  
HEADED THROUGH THEY DAY TUESDAY. OUR ATTENTION THEN PIVOTS TO  
AN ATMOSPHERIC RIVER EVENT LATE TUESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY/SATURDAY  
TIME-FRAME WITH GUIDANCE CONTINUING TO NARROW IN ON THE OVERALL  
SET-UP. RIVER FLOODING, URBAN FLOODING, AND LOCALLY STRONG WINDS  
(COAST) ARE THE PRIMARY IMPACTS WE’RE MONITORING WITH THE  
HIGHEST CONFIDENCE IN ONLY THE LATTER VARIABLE. AT LEAST FOR NOW  
IT APPEARS THE HEAVIEST RAIN THROUGH WEDNESDAY NIGHT REMAINS IN  
SOUTHERN OREGON AND NORTHERN CALIFORNIA BUT WE’LL NEED TO WATCH  
CLOSELY LATER IN THE WEEK AS IT SWINGS NORTHWARD INTO NW OREGON  
AND SW WASHINGTON. CONFIDENCE IN EXPECT PRECIPITATION AMOUNTS  
ARE STILL ONLY LOW TO MODERATE AT THIS TIME.  
 

 
   
DISCUSSION
 
TODAY THROUGH SATURDAY…CURRENTLY THE COLD FRONTAL  
BOUNDARY HAS PASSES TO OUR EAST WITH A POST-FRONTAL SHOWER  
REGIME DRIVEN BY BROAD LONG FETCH NORTHWESTERLY FLOW ALOFT IN  
PLACE ACROSS THE REGION. SNOW-LEVEL HAVE BEEN QUICK TO RESPOND  
AND AS OF THE MID-AFTERNOON HOURS HAVE CRASHED BELOW THE  
MOUNTAIN PASSES AS INDICATED BY TRAFFIC CAMERAS. MODERATE TO  
HEAVY SNOW IS EXPECTED TONIGHT INTO MONDAY OVER THE CASCADES AND  
COAST RANGE ABOVE 2000 FEET, HEAVIEST ABOVE 2500 FEET, AS WAVES  
OF FREQUENT SNOW SHOWERS CONTINUE TO PRODUCE PRECIPITATION  
ACROSS THE AREA. LIGHTER SNOW COULD FALL DOWN TO 1500 FEET  
OVERNIGHT, GENERALLY MIXED IN WITH HEAVIER RAIN SHOWERS BUT  
ACCUMULATION WILL BE SLUSHY AND MAINLY ON GRASS/VEGETATION.  
LOOKING AT THE LATEST GUIDANCE PROBABILITIES FOR 24-HR SNOW  
AMOUNTS OVER ONE FOOT CONTINUE TO HOLD NEAR 95-100% ACROSS ALL  
OF THE CASCADE PASSES WITH A 40-60% CHANCE FOR SNOW AMOUNTS OF  
18 INCHES OR MORE THIS EVENING THROUGH 4PM MONDAY AT SANTIAM AND  
WILLAMETTE PASS; CLOSE TO 35% US-26 NEAR GOVERNMENT CAMP. GIVEN  
THE CURRENT STATE OF CONDITIONS OVER THE CASCADES THIS  
AFTERNOON AND HIGH CONFIDENCE THEIR FURTHER DEGRADATION HEADED  
INTO MONDAY MORNING, ANYONE PLANNING TO TRAVERSE ACROSS THE  
PASSES NEEDS TO PREPARE FOR WINTER-LIKE TRAVEL CONDITIONS. A  
WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT ABOVE 2000 FEET FOR THE  
CASCADES. IT’S CERTAINLY WORTH HIGHLIGHTING AS WELL THE HIGHER  
PORTIONS OF THE COAST RANGE WILL LIKELY SEE SNOW, ESPECIALLY IN  
HEAVIER SHOWER BANDS WHERE IT MAY MIX DOWN TO 1,300-1,500 FT AT  
TIMES. STILL, IMPACTS BEYOND SOME MINOR SLUSH-UPS FOR SECTIONS  
OF HIGHWAY NEAR 1,500FT THE BEST AREAS FOR SNOWFALL STAY ABOVE  
2000FT WHERE A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN IN EFFECT. SNOW LEVELS  
THEN BOTTOM OUT MONDAY NIGHT INTO TUESDAY MORNING WITH A MORE  
PREDOMINATE EASTERLY FLOW FROM THE SURFACE TO 850MB NEAR THE  
CASCADES ANY LEFTOVER SHOWER ACTIVITY MAY FALL AS WET SNOW IN  
SPOTS LIKE THE HOOD RIVER VALLEY ABOVE 1000FT – LIMITED IMPACTS.  
 
THROUGH MONDAY NIGHT INTO EARLY TUESDAY MORNING THERE’LL ALSO  
BE A CHANCE (15-35%) OF THUNDERSTORMS MAINLY LONG THE WHERE CAPE  
VALUES OF 200-400 J/KG EXTENT UP IN THE -10 TO -20C MIXED  
PHASED REGION OF THE ATMOSPHERE THAT CAN SUPPORT  
ELECTRIFICATION. CAN'T COMPLETELY RULE OUT A FEW CELLS  
STRENGTHENING ENOUGH INLAND TO PRODUCE A FEW LIGHTNING STRIKES  
TOO BUT FOR THE MOST PART JUST EXPECTING PERIODS OF HEAVIER RAIN  
SHOWERS. HEAVIER SHOWERS IN ADDITION TO THE PRIOR RAINFALL MAY  
CAUSE MINOR URBAN FLOODING IN LOW-LYING AREAS WITH POOR DRAINAGE  
BOTH ALONG THE COAST AND INLAND, ESPECIALLY IN LOCATIONS WITH  
RECENTLY FALLEN LEAVES CLOGGING DRAINS.  
 
FOR LATE TUESDAY INTO THE END OF THE WEEK, ENSEMBLE GUIDANCE  
(GEFS, EURO, AND CMC) CONTINUES TO INDICATE THE WET PATTERN  
PERSISTING WITH FAIRLY HIGH CONFIDENCE IN AN ATMOSPHERIC RIVER  
EVENT IMPACTING THE WEST COAST. HOWEVER, THESE ENSEMBLE SYSTEM  
HAVE TRENDED DOWNWARD IN REGARDS TO QPF FOR US LOCALLY DUE TO  
THE MAIN AXIS OF MOISTURE GETTING AIMED PRIMARILY SOUTH OF THE  
AREA INTO SOUTHWEST OREGON AND NORTHERN CALIFORNIA – A CHANGE  
FOR YESTERDAY. AS FAR AS THE OVERALL PROGRESSION IS CONCERNED  
DETERMINISTIC AND ENSEMBLE GUIDANCE ARE IN AGREEMENT SHOWING AN  
IMPRESSIVE LOW PRESSURE DISTURBANCE UNDERGOING EXPLOSIVE  
CYCLOGENESIS IN THE EASTERN PACIFIC WITH A CENTRAL PRESSURE  
FALLING ROUGHLY 30-40MB IN 24 HRS LATE MONDAY THROUGH TUESDAY.  
WHILE THE CENTER OF THIS LOW AND THE HIGHEST WINDS ARE SET TO  
MOVE TOWARDS VANCOUVER ISLAND AND THEN STALL OVER THE PACIFIC,  
IT WILL GUIDE AN INITIAL SURGE OF MOISTURE AND EXTREMELY STRONG  
COASTAL JET TOWARDS THE AREA LATE TUESDAY. CONFIDENCE HAS GROWN  
THIS FORECAST PRODUCT CYCLE FOR WIND GUSTS EXCEEDING 58 MPH  
ALONG THE OREGON COAST TUESDAY EVENING, WITH A MAJORITY OF EPS  
MEMBERS SHOWING GUSTS IN THE 50-60 MPH RANGE FOR SPOTS LIKE  
NEWPORT. ALTHOUGH GIVEN THE ORIENTATION OF BOTH THE LOW LEVEL  
JET AND SURFACE WINDS, NOT AS CONFIDENT IN GUSTS EXCEED 58MPH  
NORTH OF ASTORIA. A HIGH WIND WATCH WAS ISSUED FOR THE CENTRAL  
AND NORTHERN OREGON COAST PRIMARILY FOR THE BEACHES AND  
HEADLANDS. SHOULD THE STRONG SURFACE LOW OFF THE COAST ADJUST A  
TOUCH FURTHER EAST THIS HIGHLIGHT MAY NEED TO BE ADDED TO THE  
SOUTH WASHINGTON COAST TOO.  
 
ONCE WE GET INTO WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY THE GEFS/EPS GUIDANCE  
KEEPS BULKS OF THE ATMOSPHERIC RIVER TO OUR SOUTH WITH IVT  
VALUES NOW ONLY AROUND 200-300 KG/MS STAYING OVERHEAD. IT’LL BE  
A LITTLE SOGGY FOR SPOTS LIKE THE COAST RANGE AND PORTIONS OF  
THE CASCADES/CASCADE FOOTHILLS WHERE SW TO NE UPSLOPE FLOW CAN  
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS MOISTURE. STILL IT LOOKS LIKE WE’RE IN A  
MUCH BETTER SPOT THAN YESTERDAY AS FAR AS RAINFALL TOTALS ARE  
CONCERNED. THE LATEST NBM MEAN FORECAST WOULD STILL LIKELY STILL  
LEAD TO SOME IMPACTS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE RECENT SNOWFALL DOWN  
TO 2000FT, PROJECTING 3.5-7 INCHES IN THE MOUNTAINS, 4-6 INCHES  
AT THE COAST, AND 1.5-2.5 INCHES FOR THE INTERIOR LOWLANDS OVER  
A 72 HR PERIOD ENDING 4AM FRIDAY MORNING. HOWEVER IT’LL BE THE  
END OF THIS PERIOD INTO THE WEEKEND WE’LL STILL HAVE TO KEEP A  
VERY CLOSE EYE ON AS MODELS DO SHOW THE AXIS OF THE MOISTURE  
TEMPORARILY SHIFTING NORTHWARD OVERHEAD IN RESPONSE TO A  
SECONDARY LOW PRESSURE SLING-SHOTING AROUND THE SOUTHEASTERN  
PERIPHERY OF THE BROADER LOW PRESSURE FEATURE OVER THE PACIFIC.  
REGARDLESS OF THE EXACT STRENGTH/DURATION OF THE ATMOSPHERIC  
RIVER AND EXACT RAIN AMOUNTS, FLOODING IS A POSSIBILITY IN LOW-  
LYING URBAN AREAS AS WELL AS FOR OUR “FLASHIER” RIVERS IN AND  
ALONG THE COAST/COAST RANGE LATE WEEK INTO THE WEEKEND. THE  
LATEST HEFS GUIDANCE IS SHOWING COASTAL RIVERS HAVING A 5-25%  
CHANCE OF REACHING MINOR FLOOD STAGE WITHIN THE NEXT TEN DAYS,  
HIGHEST AT THE WILSON RIVER NEAR TILLAMOOK AND SILETZ RIVER AT  
SILETZ – A DOWNTREND FROM THE LAST FEW DAYS INDICATIVE OF THE  
RECENT CHANGE TO A SOUTHERLY MOISTURE TRACK.  
 

 
   
AVIATION
 
THE FRONT CONTINUES TO MOVE THROUGH THE AREA, WITH  
RAIN SLOWLY TRANSITIONING TO SHOWERS OVER THE COURSE OF SUNDAY  
AFTERNOON. CURRENTLY THE AREA IS MOSTLY SEEING VFR, THOUGH BRIEF  
OCCASIONAL DROPS TO MVFR ARE OCCURRING WITH STRONGER PASSING  
SHOWERS. SOUTHERLY WINDS UP TO 20KT INLAND (25KT AT THE COAST)  
WILL SLOWLY DECREASE THROUGHOUT THE AFTERNOON AND EVENING, DOWN  
TO AROUND 7-10 KT BY 10Z MON. A SECOND WAVE OF MOISTURE PUSHES  
THROUGH AROUND THAT TIME AS WELL (10Z MON), AND HIGH RES MODELS  
SUGGEST AROUND A 40-50% CHANCE OF MVFR AT THAT TIME.  
 
PDX APPROACHES...GENERALLY VFR EXPECTED FOR THE REST OF DAYTIME  
HOURS, THOUGH BRIEF DROPS TO MVFR WILL BE POSSIBLE IF A HEAVIER  
SHOWER PASSES OVERHEAD. WINDS CURRENTLY GUSTING UP TO ABOUT 20 KT,  
AND THESE WILL DECREASE VERY SLOWLY, BOTTOMING OUT AROUND 11Z MON  
AT 5-7 KT. SLIGHT (40%) CHANCE OF MVFR CONDITIONS RE- DEVELOPING  
AROUND 07Z MON, BUT THIS RETURN TO VFR AROUND SUNRISE ON MONDAY.  
/JLIU  
 

 
   
MARINE
 
A STRONG WNW SWELL CONTINUES THE REST OF TODAY INTO  
MONDAY, RAMPING UP WAVE HEIGHTS TO THE UPPER TEENS BY AROUND  
MIDNIGHT SUNDAY NIGHT. HAZARDOUS SEAS REMAIN ON TRACK, WITH  
CURRENT WAVE HEIGHTS AROUND 12 FT AT 10 SECONDS (STILL  
INCREASING). THESE CONDITIONS CONTINUE UNTIL MONDAY EVENING, WHEN  
SEAS SLIGHTLY COME DOWN TO THE LOW TEENS THROUGH TUESDAY MORNING.  
 
ANOTHER STORM APPROACHES THE WATERS TUESDAY, BRINGING POSSIBLE  
STORM FORCE WINDS, WITH CURRENT GUIDANCE SHOWING AROUND A 80%  
CHANCE OF SOUTHERLY WINDS 54 KT OR HIGHER BEGINNING TUESDAY  
AFTERNOON. STORM WATCH REMAINS ON TRACK. OF NOTE, THE MOST RECENT  
GUIDANCE SHOWS AROUND A 20% CHANCE OF HURRICANE FORCE WINDS (64  
KTS OR HIGHER). STILL VERY LOW PROBABILITY FOR NOW, AND WILL KEEP  
TABS ON IT AS WE GET CLOSER. WITH STRONG WIND WAVES AND SWELL  
REMAINING ELEVATED, SEAS WILL BE QUITE HIGH, WITH CURRENT  
FORECASTED PEAK WAVES AT 24-27 FT AT 13 SECONDS TUESDAY EVENING.  
WIND GUSTS UP TO 55-60 KT DURING THAT TIME. /JLIU  
 

 
   
BEACH HAZARDS
 
HIGH SNEAKER WAVE THREAT REMAINS IN PLACE  
THROUGH TONIGHT DUE TO AN INCREASING WESTERLY SWELL WITH A  
DOMINANT WAVE PERIOD AROUND 10-14 SECONDS. WITH THE PERIGEAN  
SPRING TIDES UNDERWAY (COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS "KING TIDES"), IT  
IS A GOOD IDEA TO TAKE EXTRA PRECAUTION ON BEACHES. WAVES CAN RUN  
UP SIGNIFICANTLY FARTHER ON A BEACH THAN NORMAL, INCLUDING OVER  
ROCKS AND JETTIES. SNEAKER WAVES CAN SUDDENLY KNOCK PEOPLE OFF OF  
THEIR FEET AND QUICKLY PULL THEM INTO THE FRIGID OCEAN WHICH MAY  
LEAD TO SERIOUS INJURY OR DROWNING. THE SNEAKER WAVE THREAT LOOKS  
TO REMAIN HIGH THROUGH EARLY NEXT WEEK.  
 
MINOR TIDAL OVERFLOW REMAINS POSSIBLE AROUND HIGH TIDE MONDAY AS  
THE PERIGEAN SPRING TIDES CONTINUE, BUT MONDAY LOOK TO REMAIN JUST  
BELOW COASTAL FLOOD ADVISORY CRITERIA. NO ADVISORY HAS BEEN  
ISSUED AS A RESULT, BUT SOME MINOR ISOLATED TIDAL OVERFLOW COULD  
OCCUR. IMPACTS INCLUDE FLOODING UP TO A FEW INCHES ABOVE GROUND  
LEVEL, IMPACTING PORTIONS OF HIGHWAY 101 NEAR RAYMOND AND LOW  
LYING AREAS NEAR BAYS, SLOUGHS AND LOWER REACHES OF THE COASTAL  
RIVERS. ANY FLOODING WOULD BE VERY MINOR AND SHORT- LIVED (AROUND  
ONE HOUR OR LESS). FROM TUESDAY ONWARDS, TIDES DROP, AND NO MORE  
COASTAL FLOODING IS EXPECTED.  
 

 
   
PQR WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES
 
 
OR...COASTAL FLOOD ADVISORY UNTIL 3 PM PST THIS AFTERNOON FOR ORZ101-  
102.  
 
WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY FROM 4 PM THIS AFTERNOON TO 10 PM PST  
MONDAY FOR ORZ106.  
 
WINTER STORM WARNING FROM 4 PM THIS AFTERNOON TO 10 PM PST  
MONDAY FOR ORZ124-125.  
 
WINTER STORM WARNING UNTIL 10 PM PST MONDAY FOR ORZ126>128.  
 
WA...COASTAL FLOOD ADVISORY UNTIL 3 PM PST THIS AFTERNOON FOR WAZ201.  
 
WINTER STORM WARNING UNTIL 10 PM PST MONDAY FOR WAZ211.  
 
PZ...HAZARDOUS SEAS WARNING UNTIL 7 PM PST MONDAY FOR PZZ210-251>253-  
271>273.  
 
STORM WATCH FROM TUESDAY MORNING THROUGH WEDNESDAY MORNING FOR  
PZZ251>253-271>273.  

 
 

 
 
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