471  
FXUS66 KPQR 081709 AAA  
AFDPQR  
 
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PORTLAND OR  
1009 AM PDT MON SEP 8 2025  
 
UPDATED AVIATION DISCUSSION  
   
SYNOPSIS  
A CLOSED UPPER LEVEL LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM WILL BRING COOL  
AND SHOWERY WEATHER TO THE REGION MONDAY AND TUESDAY BEFORE THE  
AREA GRADUALLY DRIES OUT LATE IN THE WEEK. THERE IS 80% CHANCE  
ANOTHER FALL-LIKE STORM SYSTEM IMPACTS THE REGION LATE SATURDAY INTO  
SUNDAY, BRINGING COOL TEMPERATURES AND WIDESPREAD RAIN TO ALL OF  
WESTERN WA AND WESTERN OR.  
 
 
   
SHORT TERM...NOW THROUGH WEDNESDAY NIGHT  
THE SHORT TERM FORECAST  
REMAINS HIGHLIGHTED BY COOL AND SHOWERY WEATHER. WATER VAPOR IMAGERY  
FROM EARLY MONDAY MORNING DEPICTED INCREASING MOISTURE OVER SOUTHWEST  
OREGON, EXTENDING ACROSS THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF A CLOSED UPPER  
LEVEL LOW CENTERED OVER THE NORTHEAST PACIFIC AROUND 40N/130W. RADAR  
OBSERVATIONS SHOWED A FEW RAIN SHOWERS BEGINNING TO DEVELOP BETWEEN  
MEDFORD AND ROSEBURG. THESE SHOWERS WILL MOVE NORTHWARD INTO  
NORTHWEST OREGON THIS MORNING AND AFTERNOON AS THE UPPER LEVEL LOW  
MOVES CLOSER TO THE COAST AND MOIST SOUTHERLY FLOW ALOFT REMAINS IN  
PLACE INLAND. MODELS ARE IN GOOD AGREEMENT REGARDING THE TIMING OF  
RAIN SHOWERS, SUGGESTING SHOWERS WILL BEGIN BETWEEN 7-9AM IN LANE  
COUNTY BEFORE SPREADING UP THE WILLAMETTE VALLEY, COAST RANGE,  
CASCADES AND FOOTHILLS BETWEEN 9AM-5PM, REACHING SOUTHWEST WA LAST.  
WHILE MOST LOCATIONS SHOULD SEE AT LEAST SOME SHOWERY ACTIVITY BY  
MONDAY EVENING, IT STILL APPEARS THE SOUTH WA/NORTH OR COAST AND  
WILLAPA HILLS WILL SEE LITTLE TO NO SHOWERS TODAY. SOME SHOWERS WILL  
HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO PRODUCE LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL, AND POSSIBLY A  
FEW FLASHES OF LIGHTNING (15-20% CHANCE). THE REASON PROBABILITIES  
FOR THUNDERSTORMS ARE LOW IS DUE TO LIMITED INSTABILITY. 700-500 MB  
LAPSE RATES ARE EXPECTED TO BE AROUND 5.6-6.0 DEGREES CELSIUS/KM,  
WITH SBCAPE VALUES GENERALLY UNDER 500 J/KG. MODEL SOUNDINGS SUGGEST  
EQUILIBRIUM LEVELS WILL BE BELOW THE HAIL GROWTH ZONE, MEANING  
HAIL IS UNLIKELY TO OCCUR, AND CHARGE SEPARATION/LIGHTNING WILL BE  
DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN FOR MOST SHOWERS. THE MAIN EXCEPTION TO THIS IS  
IN THE LANE COUNTY CASCADES. THIS IS WHERE INSTABILITY AND  
EQUILIBRIUM LEVELS LOOK HIGHEST, ESPECIALLY IN THE EARLY TO MID  
AFTERNOON. AS SUCH, THIS AREA HAS A 35-40% CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS;  
THERE IS ALSO A 20-40% CHANCE FOR HOURLY RAIN RATES OVER  
0.5 IN/HR IN THIS AREA BETWEEN 4-8PM TODAY. THIS COULD POTENTIALLY  
RESULT IN DEBRIS FLOW CONCERNS OVER RECENTLY BURNED AREAS, HOWEVER  
STORMS ARE NOT EXPECTED TO TRAIN OVER THE BURN AREAS, WHICH WILL HELP  
MITIGATE THIS CONCERN TO SOME DEGREE. IN ADDITION, HOURLY RAIN RATES  
WOULD LIKELY NEED TO REACH 1.0 IN/HR OR HIGHER FOR DEBRIS FLOWS TO  
MATERIALIZE, WHICH ONLY HAS A 5-10% CHANCE OF OCCURRING ACCORDING TO  
THE LATEST HREF GUIDANCE.  
 
SHOWERS WILL CONTINUE MONDAY NIGHT INTO TUESDAY, BUT WILL BE LESS  
FREQUENT. THERE IS A 15-25% CHANCE OF THUNDER TUESDAY AFTERNOON AS  
LIMITED INSTABILITY REMAINS IN PLACE. STRONGER SHOWERS OR  
THUNDERSTORMS ARE EXPECTED TO PRODUCE LOCALLY HEAVY RAIN. DUE TO THE  
HIT OR MISS NATURE OF SHOWERY PRECIPITATION, RAIN AMOUNTS WILL BE  
QUITE VARIABLE ACROSS THE AREA, WITH SOME LOCATIONS RECEIVING AS  
LITTLE AS 0.05-0.10 INCHES, WHILE OTHER LOCATIONS RECEIVE 0.25-0.75  
INCHES OR MORE. FORECAST 48-HR RAIN AMOUNTS FROM 5AM MONDAY THROUGH  
5AM WEDNESDAY ARE GENERALLY AT OR OVER 0.25 INCHES IN THE WILLAMETTE  
VALLEY AND OVER 0.5-0.75 INCHES IN THE CASCADES.  
 
COME WEDNESDAY, MOST LOCATIONS WILL BE DRY AS SHOWERS BEGIN TO  
DIMINISH IN COVERAGE. THE MAIN EXCEPTION IS OVER THE CASCADES WHERE  
THERE IS A 50-70% CHANCE OF SHOWERS WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON/EVENING ALONG  
WITH A 10-20% CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS. TEMPERATURES WILL REMAIN  
COOLER THAN AVERAGE WITH HIGHS MOST LIKELY IN THE LOW TO MID 70S,  
EXCEPT 60S AT THE COAST. -TK  
 
   
LONG TERM...THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY NIGHT  
ENSEMBLES REMAIN IN  
GENERAL AGREEMENT THE CLOSED UPPER LEVEL LOW WILL SLOWLY MEANDER  
EASTWARD OVER THE NORTHWESTERN GREAT BASIN THURSDAY INTO FRIDAY  
BEFORE SETTLING OVER MONTANA AND WYOMING THIS UPCOMING WEEKEND. AS  
THE UPPER LOW EXITS THE REGION, SHORTWAVE RIDGING WILL SHIFT ACROSS  
THE AREA AND ALLOW THE AREA TO TEMPORARILY DRY OUT LATE IN THE WEEK.  
NONETHELESS, THERE ARE STILL A SUBSET OF ENSEMBLE MEMBERS THAT KEEP  
THE UPPER LEVEL LOW PRESSURE CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE REGION THAT EMBEDDED  
SHORTWAVE TROUGHS ROTATING AROUND THE PARENT LOW KEEP SHOWER CHANCES  
GOING ON THURSDAY, PARTICULARLY ACROSS THE CASCADES.  
 
GLOBAL ENSEMBLES HAVE SHOWN A MARKED UPTICK IN THE NUMBER OF  
MEMBERS DEPICTING A SCENARIO WHERE A SHORTWAVE TROUGH WILL  
PUSH INTO THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST LATE SATURDAY INTO SUNDAY. THIS WOULD  
BRING ANOTHER ROUND OF COOLER TEMPERATURES AND WET WEATHER TO THE  
REGION, WHICH WOULD BE GOOD NEWS FOR FURTHER SUBDUING THE 2025  
FIRE SEASON. CONFIDENCE FOR WIDESPREAD RAIN THIS UPCOMING WEEKEND HAS  
INCREASED, AS NEARLY EVERY ENSEMBLE MEMBER FROM THE ENS/GEFS/GEPS IS  
NOW SHOWING AT LEAST SOME QPF. ONLY A SMALL HANDFUL OF MEMBERS SHOW  
NO RAIN AT ALL. NBM 24-HR POPS REFLECT THIS WELL AND PEAK CLOSE TO  
80%. ALTHOUGH CONFIDENCE IS HIGH THAT WIDESPREAD RAIN WILL OCCUR OVER  
THE WEEKEND, CONFIDENCE IS LOW FOR EXACT RAIN AMOUNTS. THERE IS  
CURRENTLY A 55-65% CHANCE FOR AT LEAST 0.25" OF RAIN BETWEEN 5PM  
SATURDAY AND 5PM SUNDAY ACCORDING TO THE NBM, WHICH SEEMS REASONABLE  
BASED ON LREF QPF GUIDANCE. -TK  
 
 
   
AVIATION  
WIDESPREAD VFR CONDITIONS THIS MORNING. THE MAIN  
AVIATION WEATHER CONCERN TODAY IS LIGHTNING AND HEAVY RAIN WITH  
THUNDERSTORMS. SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ARE MOVING SOUTH TO NORTH  
ACROSS LANE COUNTY THIS MORNING INCLUDING OVER AND IN THE VICINITY  
OF KEUG. EXPECT THE SHOWERS TO REACH KCVO AROUND 17Z, KSLE AROUND  
19Z, WITH SHOWERS AND POSSIBLY LIGHTNING IMPACTING KMMV AND KUAO BY  
20Z. SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ARE EXPECTED TO BECOME MORE  
CONCENTRATED ACROSS THE HIGHER TERRAIN OF THE CASCADES AND COASTAL  
MOUNTAINS THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING, BUT A WIDESPREAD CHANCE FOR  
SHOWERS CONTINUES TONIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY MORNING.  
 
KPDX AND APPROACHES...PREDOMINATELY VFR THROUGH THE TAF PERIOD.  
WINDS GENERALLY WEST-NORTHWEST AROUND 5-6 KT OR LESS. RAIN SHOWERS  
WILL BE THE DOMINATE WEATHER THIS AFTERNOON THROUGH TUESDAY MORNING  
WITH A POSSIBILITY FOR THUNDERSTORMS. SHOWERS COULD START BY 21Z, IF  
THE SHOWERS TO THE SOUTH HOLD TOGETHER AS THEY MOVE NORTHWARD. BRIEF  
MVFR CONDITIONS POSSIBLE IN HEAVY SHOWERS OR PASSING THUNDERSTORMS.  
~TJ  
 
 
   
MARINE  
AS OF EARLY MONDAY MORNING, A WEAK LOW PRESSURE CENTER  
OVER THE NORTHEAST PACIFIC IS BRINGING LIGHT AND VARIABLE WINDS  
ACROSS THE WATERS. BUOY 46029 OBSERVATIONS AS OF 2 AM MONDAY HAVE  
BEEN SHOWING EAST/SOUTHEAST WINDS AS THE CENTER OF THE LOW  
CONTINUES TO SPIN OFFSHORE. TONIGHT INTO TUESDAY, THIS LOW  
WEAKENS AND HIGH PRESSURE WILL RE-BUILD, RETURNING NORTHERLY TO  
NORTHWESTERLY WINDS. NORTHERLY WINDS PERSIST THROUGH THURSDAY.  
WINDS TODAY THROUGH THURSDAY REMAIN UNDER 10 KT WITH MINIMAL  
IMPACTS. SEAS REMAIN AROUND 2-3 FT AT 12-14 SEC THROUGH TUESDAY,  
BUILDING TO 4-5 FT AT 11-12 SEC WEDNESDAY TO THURSDAY WITH A  
WEST-NORTHWESTERLY SWELL.  
 
BY FRIDAY INTO THE WEEKEND, GUIDANCE IS SUGGESTING ANOTHER LOW  
PRESSURE SYSTEM APPROACHING THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST. THIS WOULD  
SHIFT WINDS MORE SOUTHERLY AND BUILD SEAS TO AROUND 5-7 FT AT  
11-12 SEC AS THE WEST-NORTHWESTERLY SWELL INCREASES. HOWEVER,  
THERE IS STILL UNCERTAINTY WITH THE EXACT TIMING AND TRACK OF THIS  
SYSTEM. FOR NOW, GUIDANCE SUGGESTS ONLY A 10-15% CHANCE FOR  
FREQUENT SOUTHERLY WIND GUSTS OF 21 KT OR GREATER (SMALL CRAFT  
CONDITIONS) ACROSS THE WATERS ON SATURDAY. -ALVIZ  
 
 
   
PQR WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES  
 
OR...NONE.  
WA...NONE.  
PZ...NONE.  
 
 
 
 
 
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