821  
FXUS02 KWBC 040622  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
221 AM EDT TUE OCT 04 2022  
 
VALID 12Z FRI OCT 07 2022 - 12Z TUE OCT 11 2022  
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
A FAIRLY AMPLIFIED UPPER PATTERN WILL BE IN PLACE WHEN THE MEDIUM  
RANGE PERIOD STARTS FRIDAY WITH LARGE SCALE TROUGHING ACROSS THE  
EAST, AND A BLOCKY RIDGE OVER THE WEST COAST AND EAST PACIFIC.  
THIS TROUGH OVER THE EAST WILL PUSH A COLD FRONT OFF THE EAST  
COAST WITH EXPANSIVE HIGH PRESSURE IN ITS WAKE SPREADING FROM THE  
NORTH-CENTRAL U.S. ON FRIDAY INTO THE MIDWEST/EAST THIS COMING  
WEEKEND AND BRINGING A PERIOD OF CONSIDERABLY COOLER TEMPERATURES.  
BEHIND THIS EASTERN TROUGH, ANOTHER SHORTWAVE/POSSIBLE CLOSED LOW  
WILL SKIRT THROUGH THE NORTHERN TIER STATES LIKELY ASSOCIATED WITH  
SOME ADDITIONAL SHOWERS. A WEEK UPPER LEVEL LOW OVER THE SOUTHWEST  
U.S. WILL KEEP MONSOONAL MOISTURE PLENTY DURING THE PERIOD ACROSS  
THE FOUR CORNERS REGION AS WELL. BY NEXT MONDAY-TUESDAY, MODELS  
SHOW ANOTHER AMPLIFIED FEATURE DROPPING INTO THE NORTHERN HIGH  
PLAINS FROM WESTERN CANADA.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE EVALUATION/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
THE LATEST MODELS AND ENSEMBLES MAINTAIN FAIRLY GOOD AGREEMENT ON  
THE OVERALL PATTERN, PARTICULARLY THE FIRST HALF OF THE PERIOD.  
EMBEDDED DETAILS REMAIN SOMEWHAT UNCERTAIN THOUGH, AS THERE ARE  
SOME TIMING DIFFERENCES WITH THE EASTERN U.S. TROUGH AS IT SHIFTS  
THROUGH THE GREAT LAKES/NORTHEAST. THERE IS ALSO GOOD AGREEMENT  
OUT WEST REGARDING THE RIDGE WHICH SHOULD SLOWLY RETROGRADE INTO  
THE EASTERN PACIFIC AS A WEEK UPPER LOW NEAR ARIZONA/NEW MEXICO  
SETTLES INTO THE NORTHERN GULF OF CALIFORNIA BEFORE EVENTUALLY  
OPENING UP BY SUNDAY OR MONDAY. FOR THE FIRST HALF OF THE PERIOD,  
A GENERAL MODEL BLEND BETWEEN THE GFS, ECMWF, AND CMC WORKED WELL.  
 
THE LAST FEW CYCLES OF GUIDANCE HAVE TRENDED STRONGER WITH A  
COMPACT SHORTWAVE (WITH SOME RUNS SUGGESTING AN EMBEDDED CLOSED  
LOW) DROPPING INTO THE FAR NORTHERN STATES AROUND DAY 5/SUNDAY.  
THE ECMWF HAS CONSISTENTLY BEEN STRONGEST WITH THIS, MAINTAINING A  
SMALL CLOSED LOW FEATURE ALL THE WAY INTO TUESDAY JUST TO THE  
NORTH OF LAKE SUPERIOR. THE GFS IS WEAKER AND A BIT QUICKER, BUT  
STILL FAIRLY COMPARABLE TO THE ECMWF. THE CMC ON THE OTHER HAND  
WANTS TO DROP THE LOW DUE SOUTH AND WITH IT LINGERING OVER THE  
NORTHERN HIGH PLAINS REGION INTO THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK. THIS  
LIKELY IS A RESULT OF A MUCH STRONGER/BLOCKIER RIDGE OVER THE  
WESTERN U.S. WHICH KEEPS THE NEXT BATCH OF ENERGY FROM THE GULF OF  
ALASKA LATE PERIOD MUCH WEAKER AND STAYING WELL NORTH INTO CANADA.  
BOTH THE GFS AND ECMWF HAVE SUPPORT FROM THE ENSEMBLES THAT THIS  
ALASKAN TROUGHING WILL DROP INTO SOUTHWEST CANADA AND EVENTUALLY  
THE NORTHERN ROCKIES/HIGH PLAINS, WHICH WOULD ACT TO PUSH THE  
FIRST SHORTWAVE OUT TO THE NORTHEAST MUCH QUICKER. BASED ON THIS  
ASSESSMENT, THE BLEND FOR THE LATTER HALF OF THE PERIOD TRENDED  
MORE TOWARDS THE ENSEMBLE MEANS TO HELP MITIGATE SOME OF THE  
DETAIL UNCERTAINTIES, BUT STILL KEPT A MODEST AMOUNT OF THE  
DETERMINISTIC GFS AND ECMWF. GIVEN THE UNCERTAINTY IN TIMING AND  
AMPLITUDE OF BOTH SYSTEMS OF NOTE, THE PATTERN DEPICTED BY THE  
ENSEMBLE MEANS GETS UNDERSTANDABLY FLAT, SO IT SEEMED NECESSARY TO  
INCLUDE DETERMINISTIC SOLUTIONS TO TRY AND MAINTAIN SOME LEVEL OF  
WEAK AMPLITUDE WITH FEATURES.  
 
FOR THE QPF, THE NATIONAL BLEND OF MODELS ONCE AGAIN SEEMED MUCH  
TOO LIGHT AND NOT BROAD ENOUGH WITH ITS QPF FOOTPRINT, ESPECIALLY  
ACROSS THE SOUTHWEST. QPF FROM THE NBM WAS ESSENTIALLY  
NON-EXISTENT SO SOME CONSIDERABLE AMOUNTS OF THE GFS AND ECMWF  
WERE NEEDED TO ADD SOME QPF ACROSS THE NORTHERN PLAINS/UPPER  
MIDWEST ASSOCIATED WITH THE COMPACT SHORTWAVE THROUGH THE REGION  
LATE WEEKEND AND EARLY NEXT WEEK.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
THE COMBINATION OF PERSISTENT MONSOONAL MOISTURE AND AN UPPER LOW  
SETTLING OVER THE NORTHERN GULF OF CALIFORNIA WILL PRODUCE DIURNAL  
SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS OVER PARTS OF THE SOUTHWEST/SOUTHERN  
ROCKIES, WITH LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL POSSIBLE IN SOME SPOTS.  
INTENSITY AND COVERAGE MAY VARY FROM DAY TO DAY, WITH SOME EAST  
AND WEST EXPANSION OF RAINFALL POSSIBLE BY EARLY NEXT WEEK AS THE  
UPPER LOW OPENS UP. TO THE NORTH, THE FIRST COLD FRONT SHIFTING  
ACROSS THE MIDWEST AND GREAT LAKES MAY BRING SOME LIGHT RAIN  
MAINLY AROUND THURSDAY, AND THEN LAKE ENHANCED SHOWERS IN THE  
WESTERLY FLOW BEHIND THE FRONT FRIDAY AND PERHAPS SATURDAY. BEHIND  
THIS FRONT, MUCH BELOW NORMAL TEMPERATURES WILL SHIFT FROM THE  
NORTHERN PLAINS INTO THE MIDWEST AND EAST. DAYTIME HIGHS IN SOME  
LOCATIONS COULD BE 15 TO 20 DEGREES BELOW AVERAGE (MAINLY  
THURSDAY-SATURDAY) WHILE OVERNIGHT TEMPERATURES ARE FORECAST TO  
DROP INTO THE 30S FOR MANY LOCATIONS FROM THE NORTHERN HALF OF THE  
PLAINS INTO THE CENTRAL APPALACHIANS, AND EVEN 20S FOR NORTH  
DAKOTA AND NORTHERN MINNESOTA PARTICULARLY FRIDAY MORNING. THE  
NEXT COLD FRONT INTO THE NORTHERN TIER THIS WEEKEND LIKELY BRINGS  
SOME SHOWERS WITH IT, BUT STILL CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY IN  
COVERAGE AND AMOUNTS. OUT WEST, TEMPERATURES WILL BE WARM INTO  
EARLY NEXT WEEK UNDERNEATH A BLOCKY UPPER RIDGE, WITH DAYTIME  
HIGHS OVER THE NORTHWEST 10 TO 15 DEGREES OR SO ABOVE NORMAL.  
DESPITE THE ANOMALIES, THE RESULTING TEMPERATURES PEAKING IN THE  
70S AND 80S (90S FOR PARTS OF CALIFORNIA) ARE UNLIKELY TO CREATE  
ANY HEAT RELATED HAZARDS. WESTERN U.S. TEMPERATURES MAY TREND BACK  
CLOSER TO NORMAL BY TUESDAY NEXT WEEK AS THE RIDGE RETROGRADES  
INTO THE EASTERN PACIFIC.  
 
SANTORELLI  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC  
MEDIUM RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION, EXPERIMENTAL EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK, WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK PROBABILITIES AND HEAT INDICES ARE  
AT:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
 

 
 

 
 
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