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FXUS02 KWBC 291859  
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EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
258 PM EDT SAT OCT 29 2022  
 
VALID 12Z TUE NOV 1 2022 - 12Z SAT NOV 5 2022  
   
..GREAT BASIN/ROCKIES HEAVY MOUNTAIN SNOW THREAT NEXT WEEK
 
 
19Z UPDATE: THE 12Z MODEL GUIDANCE SUITE IS NOW IN STRONG  
AGREEMENT ON THE EVOLUTION AND TIMING OF THE AMPLIFYING UPPER  
TROUGH ACROSS THE WESTERN U.S. FOR THE MIDDLE TO END OF THE WEEK.  
THERE IS GROWING SUPPORT FOR A CLOSED LOW TO DEVELOP OVER THE  
DESERT SOUTHWEST BY FRIDAY, AND NOW THERE IS ABOVE AVERAGE  
AGREEMENT ON THE SYNOPTIC SCALE EVEN FOR A DAY 7 FORECAST NEXT  
SATURDAY ACROSS THE SOUTH-CENTRAL U.S. AND EXTENDING TO THE  
SOUTHEAST U.S. THE LATEST GEFS ENSEMBLE MEMBERS ARE SLIGHTLY  
FARTHER WEST WITH THIS TROUGH COMPARED TO THE OPERATIONAL  
GFS/ECMWF/CMC, BUT CLOSE ENOUGH TO MERIT SOME USE OF THE ENSEMBLE  
MEANS IN THE FORECAST PROCESS. A BUILDING DOWNSTREAM RIDGE AXIS  
SHOULD BE IN PLACE AND RESULT IN WARMER THAN AVERAGE TEMPERATURES  
FOR EARLY NOVEMBER FOR MUCH OF THE EASTERN U.S. BY THE END OF THE  
FORECAST PERIOD. THE GREATEST DEGREE OF MODEL SPREAD EXISTS  
ACROSS SOUTHERN CANADA IN NORTHERN STREAM FLOW WITH RESPECT TO  
TIMING OF SMALLER SCALE SHORTWAVES, BUT IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT  
ANY OF THESE WILL PHASE WITH THE LARGE SOUTHERN STREAM SYSTEM  
THROUGH SATURDAY. IN TERMS OF QPF, THERE HAS BEEN A TREND FOR  
LIGHTER RAINFALL ACROSS MUCH OF CENTRAL/SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA  
COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS FORECAST, AND THE POTENTIAL FOR A HEAVY  
RAINFALL EVENT ALONG WITH SOME SEVERE STORMS IS ON THE HORIZON BY  
FRIDAY AND INTO SATURDAY ACROSS PORTIONS OF THE CENTRAL AND  
SOUTHERN PLAINS. STAY TUNED TO FUTURE FORECASTS AS MORE DETAILS  
BECOME DISCERNIBLE. THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION IS APPENDED BELOW FOR  
REFERENCE. /HAMRICK  
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..OVERVIEW
 
 
THE DOMINANT FOCUS OF THE MEDIUM RANGE PERIOD WILL BE THE  
AMPLIFYING LARGE SCALE UPPER PATTERN, WITH A DEEP TROUGH DIGGING  
INTO AND MOVING THROUGH THE WEST WHILE A RIDGE BUILDS OVER THE  
EAST. THE UPPER TROUGH WILL SPREAD A BROAD AREA OF RAIN/MOUNTAIN  
SNOW AS WELL AS BELOW NORMAL TEMPERATURES ACROSS THE WEST.  
PRECIPITATION SHOULD INCREASE IN COVERAGE AND INTENSITY OVER PARTS  
OF THE CENTRAL U.S. LATE IN THE WEEK ONCE THE WESTERN SYSTEM  
REACHES FAR ENOUGH EASTWARD. HOWEVER THERE IS A DECENT AMOUNT OF  
UNCERTAINTY REGARDING THE SHAPE AND TIMING OF THE UPPER TROUGH BY  
THAT TIME, SO FOR NOW THE CONFIDENCE IN SPECIFICS OF ASSOCIATED  
PRECIPITATION IS FAIRLY LOW. AHEAD OF THIS SYSTEM, AN INITIAL  
SOUTHERN PLAINS UPPER TROUGH MAY PRODUCE SOME ENHANCED RAINFALL  
ALONG THE WESTERN HALF OF THE GULF COAST ON TUESDAY AND THEN COULD  
BRING SOME MOISTURE INTO THE EAST AS THE FEATURE FILTERS THROUGH  
THE BUILDING MEAN RIDGE. A LEADING WEAK SHORTWAVE WILL DEPART  
FROM THE EAST AFTER TUESDAY. THE BROAD AREA OF MOSTLY ABOVE  
NORMAL TEMPERATURES EAST OF THE ROCKIES THROUGH MIDWEEK WILL SEE A  
WEST-TO-EAST EROSION OVER THE CENTRAL U.S. BY LATE IN THE WEEK.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE AND PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
THE PAST DAY OF GUIDANCE HAS OFFERED MORE SPREAD THAN WAS  
PREVIOUSLY THE CASE FOR THE ULTIMATE EVOLUTION OF THE WESTERN  
UPPER TROUGH AFTER MIDWEEK OR SO, WITH BOTH THE GFS AND ECMWF  
JUMPING BETWEEN SLOWER CLOSED LOW AND FASTER/PHASED TROUGH  
SOLUTIONS. THE MAJORITY OF GFS RUNS HAVE FAVORED THE SLOW CLOSED  
LOW, WITH THE GFS FROM 24 HOURS AGO (28/00Z) BEING THE PRIMARY  
EXCEPTION. THAT RUN ENDED UP BEING SIMILAR TO WHERE THE 12Z ECMWF  
TRENDED. THERE WERE ENOUGH PROGRESSIVE ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEMBERS  
THAT THE RESULTING MEAN TRENDED SOMEWHAT FASTER/BROADER WITH THE  
TROUGH VERSUS THE PRIOR TWO RUNS, BUT AT LEAST THE SOUTHEASTWARD  
AMPLITUDE OF THE OVERALL TROUGH WAS LESS EXTREME THAN IN THE  
OPERATIONAL RUN. GEFS MEANS HAVE TENDED TO BE CLOSE TO THE GFS  
TIMING FROM LATEST RUNS (BUT WEAKER/NORTHWARD WITH THE IMPLIED  
UPPER LOW). MEANWHILE THE CMC HAS TRENDED TO THE CLOSED LOW  
SCENARIO AFTER BEING MORE PROGRESSIVE EARLIER AND THE NEW 00Z  
UKMET SHOWS BETTER TIMING AGREEMENT AFTER THE 12Z RUN WAS  
QUESTIONABLY SLOW.  
 
SOME OF THESE DIFFERENCES RELATE TO THE SHAPE OF FLOW ACROSS THE  
GULF OF ALASKA AND THEN SOUTHWESTERN CANADA/NORTHWEST U.S. THE  
GFS AND SOME GEFS MEMBERS ARE THE MOST PRONOUNCED WITH HOW MUCH  
RIDGING EXTENDS INTO THE NORTHEASTERN PACIFIC AND THEN INTO NORTH  
AMERICA AFTER EARLY WEDNESDAY. THE 12Z ECMWF AND SOME OF ITS  
ENSEMBLE MEMBERS ARE ON THE FLAT EXTREME. UNTIL THERE IS  
COMPELLING EVIDENCE, FAVOR AN INTERMEDIATE SOLUTION FOR THIS  
ASPECT OF THE FORECAST. THE NEW 00Z CMC REFLECTS SUCH AN IDEA.  
 
AMONG THE 12Z/18Z GUIDANCE AVAILABLE FOR THE LATEST FORECAST  
UPDATE, PREFERENCE FOR THE 18Z GFS/12Z ECMWF/12Z CMC CLUSTER EARLY  
IN THE PERIOD TRANSITIONED TO A BLEND CONSISTING OF THE 18Z  
GFS/12Z CMC FOR OPERATIONAL INPUT AND SOMEWHAT MORE 18Z GEFS  
RELATIVE TO THE 12Z ECMWF MEAN. THE RESULT HELPED TO KEEP THE  
FORECAST FAIRLY CLOSE TO CONTINUITY, WITH JUST A MODEST FASTER  
NUDGE. THE NEW 00Z GFS/GEFS MEAN/CMC ALIGN WITH THIS TIMING  
FAIRLY WELL. THE NEW 00Z ECMWF HAS REVERTED BACK TO THE SLOW  
CLOSED LOW SCENARIO, GREATLY IMPROVING CLUSTERING FOR THE TIME  
BEING.  
 
THIS PREFERRED BLEND WORKED WELL FOR LEADING FEATURES AS WELL,  
WITH THE 12Z UKMET STILL OUT OF SYNC FOR THE INITIAL SOUTHERN  
PLAINS AND EASTERN U.S. SHORTWAVES. AMONG THE NON-UKMET  
SOLUTIONS, THE BLEND HELPED TO RESOLVE ONGOING DETAIL DIFFERENCES  
FOR THE SHORTWAVE EMERGING FROM THE PLAINS, WITH AN EXPECTED PATH  
THROUGH THE BUILDING MEAN RIDGE LEADING TO AN EXTRA DEGREE OF  
DIFFICULTY.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARD HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
THE UPPER TROUGH AMPLIFYING INTO THE WEST AND LEADING SURFACE  
FRONTAL SYSTEM WILL BRING A PERIOD OF WETTER AND COLDER WEATHER TO  
THE REGION. THE COMBINATION OF DYNAMICS AND MOISTURE SHOULD  
SPREAD LOCALLY ENHANCED PRECIPITATION SOUTHEASTWARD WITH TIME.  
THE BEST FOCUS FOR RAIN/MOUNTAIN SNOW SHOULD BE FROM THE PACIFIC  
NORTHWEST/CALIFORNIA INTO THE NORTHERN ROCKIES ON TUESDAY, THEN  
REACHING THE GREAT BASIN/SOUTHWEST AND CENTRAL ROCKIES MID-LATE  
WEEK. AN EPISODE OF HEAVY MOUNTAIN SNOW WILL BE POSSIBLE OVER  
NORTHERN-CENTRAL CALIFORNIA AND ACROSS PARTS OF THE GREAT BASIN  
AND NORTHERN-CENTRAL ROCKIES AS DEPICTED IN THE WPC WINTER WEATHER  
OUTLOOK PROBABILITIES. UNCERTAINTY OVER THE PRECISE UPPER TROUGH  
DETAILS TEMPERS CONFIDENCE IN SPECIFICS OF PRECIPITATION AMOUNTS  
AND DURATION THOUGH. THE DEPTH OF THE UPPER TROUGH/LOW IS ALSO A  
QUESTION MARK, AFFECTING SNOW LEVELS AND HOW FAR SOUTH THE HIGHER  
ELEVATION SNOW MAY EXTEND. STRONG PACIFIC FLOW MAY DROP INTO THE  
PACIFIC NORTHWEST TOWARD THE END OF THE WEEK/NEXT WEEKEND,  
INCREASING PRECIPITATION OVER THE REGION. AT THIS TIME THE  
SOUTHWARD EXTENT OF THIS MOISTURE IS QUITE UNCERTAIN THOUGH.  
TEMPERATURES ACROSS THE WEST WILL TREND MUCH COLDER AS THE UPPER  
TROUGH ARRIVES AND DRIFTS OVER THE REGION. MUCH OF THE SOUTHERN  
TWO-THIRDS OF THE WEST WILL LIKELY SEE DAYTIME HIGHS 10-20F OR SO  
BELOW NORMAL BY NEXT WEDNESDAY-FRIDAY, WITH SOME NEARLY AS EXTREME  
ANOMALIES EXTENDING INTO THE NORTHERN ROCKIES. EXPECT SOME  
MODERATION BY SATURDAY BUT WITH MANY AREAS STILL BELOW NORMAL.  
 
RAINFALL SHOULD INCREASE IN COVERAGE AND INTENSITY OVER THE  
CENTRAL U.S. LATE NEXT WEEK AS THE WESTERN UPPER TROUGH  
APPROACHES, WITH EXACT TIMING AND LOCATION OF HIGHEST TOTALS BEING  
SENSITIVE TO THE PROGRESSION AND SHAPE OF THE TROUGH. AHEAD OF  
THIS SYSTEM, SOUTHERN PLAINS SHORTWAVE ENERGY MAY PRODUCE SOME  
HEAVY RAINFALL OVER OR NEAR THE GULF COAST REGION AROUND TUESDAY.  
THERE IS STILL MEANINGFUL UNCERTAINTY WITH HOW MUCH RAIN FALLS  
ALONG/INLAND FROM THE GULF COAST VERSUS OFFSHORE, AS GUIDANCE HAS  
BEEN OSCILLATING IN THAT REGARD. THIS FEATURE COULD PRODUCE SOME  
AREAS OF RAINFALL OVER PARTS OF THE EAST BUT WITH LOW CONFIDENCE  
IN THE DETAILS. LOCATIONS TO THE EAST OF THE ROCKIES WILL BE ON  
THE WARM SIDE OF THE AMPLIFYING PATTERN THROUGH AT LEAST THURSDAY,  
WITH TEMPERATURES OF 10-20F ABOVE NORMAL MOST COMMON OVER THE  
NORTHERN-CENTRAL PLAINS/UPPER MIDWEST. SOME OF THESE WARM  
ANOMALIES WILL EXTEND INTO THE GREAT LAKES/OHIO VALLEY/NORTHEAST.  
CENTRAL U.S. TEMPERATURES SHOULD TREND COOLER BY FRIDAY-SATURDAY  
WHILE THE EAST REMAINS WARM.  
 
RAUSCH  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC  
MEDIUM RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION, EXPERIMENTAL EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK, WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK PROBABILITIES AND HEAT INDICES ARE  
AT:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
 

 
 

 
 
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