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FXUS02 KWBC 091930  
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EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
229 PM EST THU NOV 09 2023  
 
VALID 12Z SUN NOV 12 2023 - 12Z THU NOV 16 2023  
 
...MOISTURE DIRECTED INTO CALIFORNIA COULD LEAD TO HEAVY RAIN AND  
SNOW TUESDAY-THURSDAY...  
 
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
GUIDANCE GENERALLY SHOWS THE UPPER PATTERN TRANSITIONING FROM  
FAIRLY LOW AMPLITUDE MEAN FLOW WITH PROGRESSIVE SHORTWAVES TOWARD  
A MORE AMPLIFIED REGIME CONSISTING OF A DEEP EASTERN PACIFIC  
TROUGH, A BROAD RIDGE ALIGNED OVER THE CENTRAL U.S., AND A TROUGH  
REACHING THE WESTERN ATLANTIC. THIS EVOLUTION WILL FAVOR DRY  
WEATHER OVER A MAJORITY OF THE LOWER 48 AND A TREND TO WELL ABOVE  
NORMAL TEMPERATURES OVER THE NORTHERN TWO-THIRDS OF THE CENTRAL  
U.S. INTO MIDWEST. THE MOST LIKELY AREAS OF PRECIPITATION FOCUS  
DURING THE PERIOD WILL BE ALONG THE WEST COAST, WITH GRADUALLY  
INCREASING COVERAGE AND INTENSITY AHEAD OF THE AMPLIFYING PACIFIC  
TROUGH THAT SHOULD EVENTUALLY DIRECT AN ATMOSPHERIC RIVER INTO  
CALIFORNIA IN PARTICULAR, AND ACROSS THE SOUTHERN TIER/GULF COAST  
STATES WHERE MOISTURE SHOULD OVERRUN A SLOW-MOVING FRONT OVER THE  
GULF OF MEXICO. A SOUTHERN STREAM SHORTWAVE/UPPER LOW EJECTING  
FROM NORTHWESTERN MEXICO AFTER SUNDAY SHOULD CONTRIBUTE TO THIS  
ACTIVITY, WITH THE REGION TRENDING WETTER OVER THE PAST DAY. ALONG  
THE EASTERN SEABOARD, ONE OR MORE SHORTWAVES PUSHING THROUGH THE  
NORTHERN TIER OF THE COUNTRY EARLY NEXT WEEK AND FORMING THE  
MIDWEEK ATLANTIC TROUGH WILL LEAD TO COOLER THAN AVERAGE  
TEMPERATURES BEFORE A MODERATING TREND AS THE WEEK PROGRESSES.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE EVALUATION/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
GUIDANCE INDICATES THE MEDIUM-RANGE PERIOD WILL FEATURE AMPLIFYING  
MEAN LONG-WAVE RIDGING IN THE NORTHERN STREAM, SHIFTING WEST TO  
EAST ACROSS THE CONUS, AS A SOUTHERN STREAM SHORTWAVE PASSES  
ACROSS THE SOUTH AND A DEEP TROUGH DIGS SOUTHWARD OFF THE WEST  
COAST. RECENT RUNS OF THE GFS AND ECMWF HAVE SHOWN TIMING AND  
STRENGTH DIFFERENCES WITH AN INITIAL SHORTWAVE OVER THE UPPER  
MIDWEST AND THE EMBEDDED SOUTHERN STREAM WAVE OVER NORTHWESTERN  
MEXICO BENEATH RIDGING OVER THE WESTERN U.S. HOWEVER, THE MOST  
RECENT 00Z/06Z RUNS HAVE AT LEAST CONVERGED TOWARDS A SIMILAR  
SOLUTION EVEN AS CONFIDENCE REMAINS A BIT LOW GIVEN THE RUN-TO-RUN  
VARIABILITY. THE NORTHERN WAVE SHOULD SHIFT EASTWARD THROUGH THE  
EARLY-MID PERIOD AS A SUBSEQUENT SURFACE SYSTEM TRAVERSES THE  
UPPER GREAT LAKES/NORTHEAST, WHILE THE SOUTHERN WAVE PASSES SLOWLY  
OVER THE SOUTH-CENTRAL AND THEN SOUTHEASTERN U.S. HELPING TO  
ENCOURAGE RAINFALL CHANCES NORTH OF A QUASI-STATIONARY BOUNDARY IN  
THE GULF. ALL OF THE GUIDANCE LOOKS AGREEABLE ON THE NORTHERN WAVE  
EVOLUTION WHILE THE 12Z CMC DIFFERS IN STRENGTH/PHASE WITH THE  
SOUTHERN WAVE. THE 00Z ECENS MEAN ALSO OFFERS SUPPORT FOR THE  
CLUSTERED DETERMINISTIC SOLUTIONS OF THE SOUTHERN WAVE WHILE THE  
GEFS MEAN NOTABLY LACKS ANY SIGNAL ENTIRELY. ON A BROADER SCALE,  
THE 00Z CMC/ECMWF ARE MORE AMPLIFIED WITH THE EXPANDING LONGWAVE  
RIDGING OVER THE WESTERN THEN CENTRAL U.S., AS RECENT RUNS OF THE  
GFS HAVE BEEN SHIFTING LESS AMPLIFIED, THOUGH REVERSE A BIT WITH  
THE 06Z RUN.  
 
ATTENTION IN THE MID-LATE PERIOD TURNS TO THE WEST COAST AS ENERGY  
OVER THE NORTHEASTERN PACIFIC DROPS SOUTHWARD WITH CONTINUED  
NOTABLE RUN-TO-RUN DIFFERENCES WITH REGARDS TO ALL ASPECTS OF THE  
SYSTEM EVOLUTION, INCLUDING TIMING OF EMBEDDED SHORTWAVE ENERGY,  
CLOSED/OPEN WAVE, AND PHASING AS THE MEAN TROUGHING EITHER PUSHES  
CLOSER TOWARDS OR LINGERS OFF THE WEST COAST. THIS WILL CONTINUE  
TO HAVE IMPACTS ON SUBSEQUENT PRECIPITATION CHANCES. THE 00Z/06Z  
ECMWF/CMC/GFS HAVE A GENERAL CONSENSUS EARLY ON WITH A SLOW  
SOUTHWARD PROGRESSION AS AN INITIAL SURGE OF UPPER-LEVEL ENERGY  
FROM THE NORTHEASTERN PACIFIC DROPS SOUTHWARD OFF THE WEST COAST,  
WHILE THE 00Z UKMET HAS A STRONGER CLOSED LOW IN COMPARISON.  
LATER, THE ECMWF HAS BEEN FASTER AND MORE AGGRESSIVE WITH THIS  
FIRST WAVE OF UPPER-LEVEL ENERGY, DEEPENING TROUGHING ALONG  
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, WHILE THE MEAN TROUGH AXIS IN THE GFS/CMC  
LINGERS FURTHER OFF THE COAST. THERE ARE ALSO SUBSEQUENT  
DIFFERENCES ACROSS THE GUIDANCE WITH RESPECT TO ADDITIONAL SURGES  
OF ENERGY DROPPING SOUTHWARD, WITH THE 00Z ECMWF INDICATING A  
SECONDARY WAVE WILL REINFORCE TROUGHING OFF THE WEST COAST WHILE  
THIS ENERGY REMAINS TO THE NORTH IN THE MOST RECENT 06Z RUN OF THE  
GFS. THE 06Z GFS ALSO TRENDS BACK TOWARDS A CLOSED LOW CUTTING OFF  
AND LINGERING FURTHER OFF THE WEST COAST GIVEN THE LACK OF  
REINFORCING ENERGY DROPPING SOUTHWARD, AND THE 12Z GFS UPDATE  
CONTINUED THIS TREND. THE 00Z ECENS MEAN OFFERS A GENERAL  
COMPROMISE BETWEEN SOLUTIONS IN TERMS OF THE AXIS OF MEAN  
TROUGHING. THE 00Z GEFS MEAN IS SIMILAR HERE AS WELL, THOUGH THE  
LACK OF AGREEMENT FURTHER EAST WITH THE SOUTHERN STREAM WAVE  
COMPLICATES FINDING A BROAD GENERAL CONSENSUS.  
 
THE UPDATED WPC FORECAST BLEND FEATURES A COMPOSITE OF THE  
DETERMINISTIC GUIDANCE EARLY IN THE PERIOD GIVEN GOOD OVERALL  
AGREEMENT WITH RESPECT TO ALL SYSTEMS. THE CONTRIBUTION FROM THE  
UKMET IS REMOVED BY THE MID-PERIOD AS THE EVOLUTION OF THE WESTERN  
SYSTEM DIVERGES, WITH A STEADILY INCREASING CONTRIBUTION FROM THE  
ECENS MEAN GIVEN ITS FIT WITHIN THE DETERMINISTIC SOLUTIONS WITH  
RESPECT TO BOTH THE SOUTHERN STREAM WAVE AND THE WESTERN SYSTEM.  
VARIABLE CONTRIBUTION REDUCTIONS ARE MADE WITH THE OTHER  
DETERMINISTIC GUIDANCE DEPENDING ON THEIR DIVERGENCE FROM ECENS  
MEAN AS A COMPROMISE SOLUTION, AND A LOWER CONTRIBUTION FROM THE  
GEFS MEAN IS INCLUDED DUE TO DIFFERENCES WITH RESPECT TO THE  
SOUTHERN WAVE, WHICH NOW APPEARS TO LINGER OVER THE SOUTHEASTERN  
U.S. LONGER THAN PRIOR FORECASTS. GIVEN THE NOTED RUN-TO-RUN  
VARIABILITY OPTED TO ALSO INCLUDE A BIT OF CONTINUITY MID-LATE  
PERIOD.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
MOISTURE OVERRUNNING THE COLD FRONT THAT IS FORECAST TO STALL OVER  
THE NORTHWESTERN GULF (BUT TRACK A BIT MORE PROGRESSIVELY THROUGH  
FLORIDA) WILL LEAD TO SOME RAIN ACROSS THE SOUTH-CENTRAL TO  
SOUTHEASTERN QUADRANT OF THE U.S. CONTINUING INTO NEXT WEEK. THE  
HIGHEST RAINFALL TOTALS ARE LIKELY TO SHIFT FROM SOUTHERN TEXAS  
SUNDAY EASTWARD ALONG THE CENTRAL GULF COAST MONDAY-TUESDAY AND  
POTENTIALLY EVEN INTO THE SOUTHEAST/FLORIDA BY LATER NEXT WEEK,  
WITH EASTERN PACIFIC AND GULF MOISTURE COMBINING. NOT MUCH  
INSTABILITY WILL BE IN PLACE THROUGH EARLY NEXT WEEK SINCE THE  
REGION WILL BE IN A POST-FRONTAL AIRMASS, SO RAIN RATES SHOULD NOT  
BE TOO HIGH. BY MONDAY THOUGH, THERE MAY BE MORE SUPPORT FOR  
CONVECTION FROM TEXAS INTO THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY AS  
MID-UPPER LEVEL ENERGY APPROACHES AND POSSIBLY INCREASES  
INSTABILITY, AND THE POTENTIAL FOR HEAVIER RAIN TOTALS HAS TRENDED  
UPWARD AS THE GUIDANCE INDICATES THIS MID-UPPER ENERGY MAY BE  
STRONGER AND TRACK SLOWER OVER THE REGION. SOME OF THE  
DETERMINISTIC GUIDANCE HAS BECOME PARTICULARLY AGGRESSIVE WTIH  
RAINFALL TOTALS ALONG THE CENTRAL GULF COAST AROUND MONDAY.  
HOWEVER, WITH THE HEAVIEST RAINFALL EXPECTED TO REMAIN ALONG THE  
GULF COAST, AND ANTECEDENT CONDITIONS ALREADY VERY DRY, THE RISK  
FOR FLASH FLOODING SHOULD REMAIN VERY LOW UNLESS THERE IS A  
SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN FORECAST TOTALS, AND NO AREAS ARE  
DELINEATED IN THE EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK FOR SUNDAY AND MONDAY.  
 
ROUNDS OF FRONTAL SYSTEMS AND SHORTWAVES PUSHING THROUGH THE  
NORTHWEST WILL MAINTAIN PRECIPITATION CHANCES ACROSS THE PACIFIC  
NORTHWEST AND THE NORTHERN ROCKIES THROUGH EARLY NEXT WEEK.  
MODERATE TO HEAVY AMOUNTS MAY BE DIRECTED INTO THE NORTHERN PARTS  
OF THE OLYMPICS AND CASCADES, WITH LOWER ELEVATION RAIN AND HIGHER  
ELEVATION SNOW. STARTING MONDAY AND ESPECIALLY BY  
TUESDAY-THURSDAY, UPPER TROUGHING WILL DEEPEN OVER THE EASTERN  
PACIFIC AND DIRECT MOISTURE PLUMES/ATMOSPHERIC RIVERS INTO THE  
WEST, ESPECIALLY CALIFORNIA. EXPECT HEAVY LOWER ELEVATION RAIN AND  
HIGHER ELEVATION SNOW. WHILE CONFIDENCE IS SOMEWHAT ABOVE AVERAGE  
IN A PERIOD OF ENHANCED PRECIPITATION ASSOCIATED WITH THE OVERALL  
UPPER TROUGH, IT IS MUCH LOWER IN TERMS OF SPECIFICS (TIMING,  
COVERAGE, AMOUNTS OVER PARTICULAR LOCATIONS) DUE TO MODEL SPREAD  
AND VARIABILITY OF INDIVIDUAL SHORTWAVE ENERGIES.  
 
ON SUNDAY, MUCH OF THE EAST WILL BE UNDER A POST-FRONTAL COOL HIGH  
PRESSURE SYSTEM, WITH TEMPERATURES NEAR TO BELOW AVERAGE, BUT  
WARMING CLOSER TO NORMAL TUESDAY-WEDNESDAY AND PERHAPS REACHING  
ABOVE NORMAL BY THURSDAY. THE EXCEPTION WILL BE THE FLORIDA  
PENINSULA, WITH HIGHS WELL INTO THE 80S ON SUNDAY MODERATING  
GRADUALLY CLOSER TO NORMAL AFTER THE COLD FRONT PRESSES THROUGH.  
AS UPPER RIDGING BUILDS ACROSS THE NORTH-CENTRAL U.S. EARLY NEXT  
WEEK, ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES BY AROUND 10-20F WILL OVERSPREAD  
THE CENTRAL AND NORTHERN PLAINS INTO THE MIDWEST, WITH ABOVE  
AVERAGE POCKETS EXTENDING BACK INTO THE ROCKIES AND GREAT BASIN AS  
WELL. MEANWHILE, BELOW NORMAL HIGHS ARE EXPECTED IN THE  
SOUTH-CENTRAL U.S. EARLY NEXT WEEK WITH LOWER HEIGHTS OVERHEAD AND  
CLOUDS AND RAIN POSSIBLE, BEFORE MODERATING MIDWEEK.  
 
PUTNAM/TATE  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC  
MEDIUM RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST, EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK,  
WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK PROBABILITIES, HEAT INDICES AND KEY  
MESSAGES ARE AT:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 

 
 
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