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FXUS02 KWBC 280659  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
259 AM EDT WED AUG 28 2024  
 
VALID 12Z SAT AUG 31 2024 - 12Z WED SEP 04 2024  
 
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
MODELS AND ENSEMBLES SHOW MODERATELY PROGRESSIVE NORTHERN STREAM  
FLOW, WITH A PORTION OF AN INITIAL WESTERN U.S. RIDGE EVENTUALLY  
REACHING THE NORTHERN PLAINS WHILE REINFORCING TROUGH ENERGY  
DOWNSTREAM CROSSES THE GREAT LAKES/NORTHEAST, WITH ITS DEPARTURE  
NEXT WEEK YIELDING WEAKER TROUGHING BY THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK.  
REMAINING WESTERN U.S. RIDGING WILL LIKELY SETTLE INTO THE  
SOUTHERN HALF OF THE REGION BY THAT TIME. AN EASTERN PACIFIC UPPER  
LOW SHOULD EJECT ACROSS THE NORTHWEST EARLY NEXT WEEK, BUT WITH  
INCREASING UNCERTAINTY OVER DETAILS OF INCOMING PACIFIC FLOW THAT  
COULD INTERACT WITH IT. MEANWHILE, GUIDANCE HAS BEEN SHOWING A LOT  
OF DIFFICULTY IN RESOLVING LOWER-PREDICTABILITY SHORTWAVE FEATURES  
FROM THE SOUTHERN ROCKIES EASTWARD, LEADING TO SIGNIFICANT  
DIFFERENCES IN FORECAST RAINFALL ACROSS THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE  
COUNTRY. THE FORECAST PATTERN EVOLUTION WILL SUPPORT SOME WELL  
ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES CROSSING THE NORTHWEST WHILE A DECENT  
PORTION OF THE CENTRAL/EASTERN U.S. WILL SEE MULTIPLE DAYS WITH  
BELOW NORMAL HIGHS.  
   
..GUIDANCE/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
OVERALL THE DYNAMICAL AND MACHINE LEARNING (ML) GUIDANCE HAS  
MAINTAINED GOOD AGREEMENT AND CONTINUITY FOR MOST ASPECTS OF THE  
FORECAST INTO THE WEEKEND. THEN THERE IS INCREASING SPREAD AND  
VARIABILITY FOR SOME ASPECTS OF THE FORECAST--LEADING TO  
SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES IN RAINFALL COVERAGE/AMOUNTS ACROSS THE  
SOUTHERN HALF OF THE LOWER 48.  
 
IN PARTICULAR, THE DYNAMICAL AND ML MODELS DISAGREE AMONG EACH  
OTHER FOR LOWER-PREDICTABILITY SHORTWAVE DETAILS BETWEEN THE  
SOUTHERN ROCKIES AND EAST-CENTRAL U.S. LEADING TO SIGNIFICANT QPF  
DIFFERENCES. FOR EXAMPLE RECENT ECMWF RUNS HAVE BEEN FAVORING  
SOUTHERN HIGH PLAINS UPPER WEAKNESS THAT EVENTUALLY DRIFTS  
EASTWARD, LEADING TO GREATER RAINFALL OVER TEXAS THAN A NUMBER OF  
OTHER SOLUTIONS, WHILE THE 00Z GFS DROPS WEAK NORTHERN STREAM  
ENERGY INTO THE SOUTHERN PLAINS TO SUPPRESS RAINFALL MORE THAN THE  
MEAN OF GUIDANCE. ML MODELS DIFFER AS WELL BUT OVERALL SEEM TO SHOW  
A GENERAL THEME OF AN UPPER WEAKNESS REACHING SOMEWHERE OVER THE  
PLAINS/MISSISSIPPI VALLEY BY NEXT WEDNESDAY. IN CONTRAST, THE NEW  
00Z ECMWF HAS TRENDED FASTER WITH ITS EVOLVING WEAK SHORTWAVE SO  
THAT BY MIDWEEK ITS QPF OVER THE EASTERN HALF OF THE COUNTRY IS  
MORE SUPPRESSED THAN PRIOR RUNS. THERE ARE ALSO MEANINGFUL  
DIFFERENCES WITH A POTENTIAL UPPER FEATURE NEAR THE WEST-CENTRAL  
GULF COAST, WITH NO COHERENT THEMES ASIDE FROM A SOMEWHAT BETTER  
DEFINED SURFACE REFLECTION ALONG THE WESTERN GULF COAST.  
 
ELSEWHERE, LATEST GFS RUNS STRAY A BIT TO THE FAST SIDE WITH THE  
VIGOROUS SHORTWAVE CROSSING THE NORTHEAST WHILE GUIDANCE SPREAD  
RAPIDLY INCREASES BY NEXT WEDNESDAY FOR WHAT NORTHERN STREAM FLOW  
WILL LOOK LIKE IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THE PACIFIC UPPER LOW THAT EJECTS  
INLAND. THE NEW 00Z GFS IS ON THE AMPLIFIED SIDE OF THE SPREAD WITH  
ITS TROUGH REACHING INTO THE NORTHWEST BY MIDWEEK.  
 
THE UPDATED FORECAST STARTED WITH AN OPERATIONAL MODEL COMPOSITE  
FOR THE WEEKEND AND THEN SPLIT THE 18Z GFS WITH THE GEFS MEAN TO  
ACCOUNT FOR TROUGH PROGRESSION OVER THE NORTHEAST. BY LATE IN THE  
PERIOD THE BLEND REACHED A HALF MODEL/HALF ENSEMBLE MEAN  
(GEFS/ECENS) WEIGHT TO REFLECT THE MOST COMMON IDEAS OF THE LARGE  
SCALE PATTERN.  
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
ON DAY 4/SATURDAY, CONTINUE TO EXPECT LOCALLY HEAVY RAIN TO AFFECT  
PARTS OF THE NORTHEAST INTO THE MID-ATLANTIC AND BACK INTO THE  
APPALACHIANS PLUS PERHAPS THE TENNESSEE/OHIO VALLEYS AS A LEADING  
FRONT PROGRESSES INTO THIS REGION, WITH MOISTURE AND INSTABILITY  
SUPPORTING MAINTENANCE OF A MARGINAL RISK AREA IN THE EXCESSIVE  
RAINFALL OUTLOOK. SOME GUIDANCE IS RAISING THE POTENTIAL FOR SOME  
ENHANCED TOTALS OVER NORTHERN NEW ENGLAND BUT SO FAR WITH MINIMAL  
INSTABILITY. THE SOUTHWEST/SOUTHERN ROCKIES/SOUTHERN HIGH PLAINS  
SHOULD ALSO CONTINUE TO SEE THUNDERSTORMS INTO SATURDAY BUT WITH  
DECLINING CONFIDENCE IN SPECIFICS DUE TO DIFFERENCES IN POTENTIAL  
SHORTWAVE ENERGY. THE MARGINAL RISK AREA OVER THIS REGION IS  
UNCHANGED BUT WITH POTENTIAL FOR FUTURE ADJUSTMENT DEPENDING ON  
GUIDANCE TRENDS/CLUSTERING. MEANWHILE, GUIDANCE STILL SHOWS THE  
POTENTIAL FOR CONVECTION ALONG PARTS OF THE LOUISIANA/TEXAS COAST.  
THE DAY 4 ERO HAS INTRODUCED A MARGINAL RISK AREA BASED ON THIS  
PERSISTENCE AND EXPECTED RAINFALL FROM PRIOR DAYS, THOUGH  
CONFIDENCE IN SPECIFICS IS STILL NOT VERY HIGH. DURING DAY 5  
SUNDAY, THE ONLY RISK AREA INITIALLY DEPICTED IS A MARGINAL OVER  
PARTS OF THE SOUTHERN MID-ATLANTIC/APPALACHIANS AS  
MOISTURE/INSTABILITY MAY BE SUFFICIENT TO PRODUCE LOCALLY HEAVY  
RAINFALL ALONG THE WAVY FRONT REACHING THE AREA. THERE WILL BE  
OTHER POSSIBILITIES FOR LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL ACROSS THE SOUTHERN  
TIER BUT GUIDANCE SIGNALS APPEAR TOO DIFFUSE FOR DEPICTING ANY RISK  
AREAS AT THIS TIME.  
 
AFTER SUNDAY, UNCERTAIN DETAILS OF SOUTHERN TIER SHORTWAVE ENERGY  
CONTINUE TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO RESOLVE SPECIFICS OF THE RAINFALL  
FORECAST IN TERMS OF NORTHWARD EXTENT AND MAGNITUDE/LOCATION OF  
HIGHEST TOTALS. THE FRONTS SETTLING INTO THE SOUTHERN TIER SHOULD  
PROVIDE SOME FOCUS AT TIMES THOUGH, WHILE TRAILING HIGH PRESSURE  
PROMOTES A DRYING TREND FARTHER NORTH. THE NORTHWEST MAY SEE  
SCATTERED RAINFALL EARLY NEXT WEEK AS AN EASTERN PACIFIC UPPER LOW  
EJECTS INLAND.  
 
UPPER RIDGING TRACKING ACROSS THE NORTHWEST INTO THE HIGH PLAINS  
WILL PRODUCE WELL ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES OVER THAT PART OF THE  
COUNTRY DURING THE PERIOD, WITH SOME LOCATIONS SEEING GREATER THAN  
PLUS 10F ANOMALIES ON ONE OR MORE DAYS. MEANWHILE THERE WILL BE  
SOME LINGERING HEAT OVER PARTS OF THE SOUTHERN HALF OR SO OF THE  
EAST INTO THE WEEKEND BUT WITH HIGHS ONLY UP TO 5-10F ABOVE NORMAL.  
OTHERWISE, A DECENT PORTION OF THE CENTRAL/EASTERN U.S. WILL TEND  
TO SEE NEAR TO BELOW NORMAL HIGHS, WITH COOLEST ANOMALIES (SOME  
POCKETS OF HIGHS AT LEAST 10F BELOW NORMAL) OVER THE PLAINS SUNDAY-  
TUESDAY AND INTO THE EAST MONDAY-WEDNESDAY.  
 
RAUSCH  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC MEDIUM  
RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST (QPF), EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK (ERO), WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK (WWO) PROBABILITIES, HEAT  
INDICES, AND KEY MESSAGES CAN BE ACCESSED FROM:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 
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