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FXUS02 KWBC 281914  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
314 PM EDT WED AUG 28 2024  
 
VALID 12Z SAT AUG 31 2024 - 12Z WED SEP 04 2024  
 
   
..OVERVIEW  
 
MODELS AND ENSEMBLES SHOW MODERATELY PROGRESSIVE NORTHERN STREAM  
FLOW, WITH A PORTION OF AN INITIAL WESTERN U.S. RIDGE EVENTUALLY  
REACHING THE NORTHERN PLAINS WHILE REINFORCING TROUGH ENERGY  
DOWNSTREAM CROSSES THE GREAT LAKES/NORTHEAST, WITH ITS DEPARTURE  
NEXT WEEK YIELDING WEAKER TROUGHING BY THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK.  
REMAINING WESTERN U.S. RIDGING WILL LIKELY SETTLE INTO THE  
SOUTHERN HALF OF THE REGION BY THAT TIME. AN EASTERN PACIFIC UPPER  
LOW SHOULD EJECT ACROSS THE NORTHWEST EARLY NEXT WEEK, BUT WITH  
INCREASING UNCERTAINTY OVER DETAILS OF INCOMING PACIFIC FLOW THAT  
COULD INTERACT WITH IT. MEANWHILE, GUIDANCE HAS BEEN SHOWING A LOT  
OF DIFFICULTY IN RESOLVING LOWER-PREDICTABILITY SHORTWAVE FEATURES  
FROM THE SOUTHERN ROCKIES EASTWARD, LEADING TO SIGNIFICANT  
DIFFERENCES IN FORECAST RAINFALL ACROSS THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE  
COUNTRY. THE FORECAST PATTERN EVOLUTION WILL SUPPORT SOME WELL  
ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES CROSSING THE NORTHWEST WHILE A DECENT  
PORTION OF THE CENTRAL/EASTERN U.S. WILL SEE MULTIPLE DAYS WITH  
BELOW NORMAL HIGHS.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT  
 
OVERALL THE DYNAMICAL AND MACHINE LEARNING (ML) GUIDANCE HAS  
MAINTAINED GOOD AGREEMENT AND CONTINUITY FOR MOST ASPECTS OF THE  
FORECAST INTO THE WEEKEND. BUT THERE IS NOTABLE SPREAD AND  
VARIABILITY FOR SOME ASPECTS OF THE FORECAST--LEADING TO  
SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES IN RAINFALL COVERAGE/AMOUNTS ACROSS THE  
SOUTHERN HALF OF THE LOWER 48.  
 
IN PARTICULAR, THE DYNAMICAL AND ML MODELS DISAGREE AMONG EACH  
OTHER FOR LOWER-PREDICTABILITY SHORTWAVE DETAILS BETWEEN THE  
SOUTHERN ROCKIES AND EAST-CENTRAL U.S. LEADING TO SIGNIFICANT QPF  
DIFFERENCES. FOR EXAMPLE RECENT ECMWF RUNS HAVE BEEN FAVORING A  
SOUTHERN HIGH PLAINS UPPER WEAKNESS THAT EVENTUALLY DRIFTS  
EASTWARD, WHILE GFS RUNS REMAIN SUPPRESSED/FARTHER SOUTH THAN OTHER  
GUIDANCE, BUT THEY SEEM TO BE THE OUTLIER, AS NON-NCEP GUIDANCE  
INCLUDING THE EC-BASED AI/ML MODELS SHOW NOTABLE CONVECTION INTO  
MUCH OF TEXAS. ML MODELS DIFFER AS WELL BUT OVERALL SEEM TO SHOW A  
GENERAL THEME OF AN UPPER WEAKNESS REACHING SOMEWHERE OVER THE  
PLAINS/MISSISSIPPI VALLEY BY NEXT WEDNESDAY. EVENTUALLY THE  
SOUTHERN STREAM DIFFERENCES LEAD TO SOUTHEAST QPF DIFFERENCES, AND  
ALSO COMPLICATING MATTERS IS THE POTENTIAL FOR ENERGIES ALONG THE  
WEST-CENTRAL GULF COAST.  
 
RECENT MODEL GUIDANCE HAS SHOWN REASONABLE AGREEMENT WITH  
NORTHEAST TROUGHING. BUT IN THE EASTERN PACIFIC TO NORTHWEST,  
GUIDANCE SPREAD INCREASES BY MONDAY-WEDNESDAY, AT FIRST TO THE  
NORTH OF AND THEN INTERACTING WITH THE UPPER LOW FEATURE MOVING  
INTO NORTHERN CALIFORNIA. THE NEWER 12Z MODELS HAVE SHOWN A MARKED  
SHIFT TO SHOWING LESS NORTHERN TROUGHING THAN THE PREVIOUS CYCLES.  
THIS KEEPS THE UPPER LOW FEATURE MOVING NORTHEAST SEPARATE FROM THE  
NORTHERN FLOW THAT HAS FLIPPED TO RIDGING FOR A NOTABLE PATTERN  
CHANGE FOR THE NORTHWESTERN U.S./SOUTHWESTERN CANADA. THIS WILL  
HAVE TO BE MONITORED TO DETERMINE IF THIS TREND REMAINS IN FUTURE  
CYCLES.  
 
THE WPC FORECAST USED A MULTI-MODEL DETERMINISTIC BLEND FOR THE  
EARLY TO MID-PERIOD, WITH THE BLENDING PROCESS TAKING CARE OF  
SMALLER SCALE DIFFERENCES. AS SPREAD INCREASED LATER IN THE PERIOD,  
THE PROPORTION OF ENSEMBLE MEANS REACHED HALF BY DAY 7.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS  
 
ON DAY 4/SATURDAY, CONTINUE TO EXPECT LOCALLY HEAVY RAIN TO AFFECT  
PARTS OF THE NORTHEAST INTO THE MID-ATLANTIC AND BACK INTO THE  
APPALACHIANS PLUS PERHAPS THE TENNESSEE/OHIO VALLEYS AS A LEADING  
FRONT PROGRESSES INTO THIS REGION, WITH MOISTURE AND INSTABILITY  
SUPPORTING MAINTENANCE OF A MARGINAL RISK AREA IN THE EXCESSIVE  
RAINFALL OUTLOOK. A TREND TOWARD SLIGHTLY SLOWER FRONTAL TIMING LED  
TO ADJUSTING THE ERO TO COVER NORTHERN NEW ENGLAND AS WELL. BY DAY  
5/SUNDAY, A MARGINAL REMAINS IN PLACE OVER PARTS OF THE SOUTHERN  
MID-ATLANTIC/APPALACHIANS AS MOISTURE/INSTABILITY MAY BE SUFFICIENT  
TO PRODUCE LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL ALONG THE WAVY FRONT REACHING  
THE AREA. THE FRONT GRADUALLY TRACKING SOUTH INTO THE WORKWEEK  
SHOULD LEAD TO STORMS ACROSS THE SOUTHEAST.  
 
THE SOUTHERN ROCKIES/SOUTHERN HIGH PLAINS SHOULD ALSO CONTINUE TO  
SEE THUNDERSTORMS INTO SATURDAY BUT WITH DECLINING CONFIDENCE IN  
SPECIFICS DUE TO DIFFERENCES IN POTENTIAL SHORTWAVE ENERGY. AS  
MENTIONED ABOVE, FAVORED THE MORE AGREEABLE NON-NCEP GUIDANCE  
INSTEAD OF THE SOUTHERN/SUPPRESSED GFS. THUS HAVE MARGINAL RISKS  
OUTLOOKED FOR DAYS 4 AND 5 FOR WESTERN PARTS OF TEXAS INTO  
SOUTHEAST NEW MEXICO, WHERE ABOVE NORMAL MOISTURE IS IN PLACE AND  
THERE MAY BE SOME ENERGY ALOFT. FOR DAY 4/SATURDAY, WESTERN PARTS  
OF THE PREVIOUSLY ISSUED MARGINAL WERE TRIMMED OUT FROM THE  
SOUTHWEST-- THOUGH CONVECTION IS LIKELY TO EXIST ACROSS THE  
MOGOLLON RIM IN PARTICULAR, THERE IS LIKELY LESS THAN A 5 PERCENT  
CHANCE (THE MARGINAL THRESHOLD) OF FLASH FLOODING.  
 
MEANWHILE, GUIDANCE STILL SHOWS THE POTENTIAL FOR CONVECTION ALONG  
PARTS OF THE LOUISIANA/TEXAS COAST. THE DAY 4 ERO HAS MAINTAINED A  
MARGINAL RISK AREA BASED ON THIS PERSISTENCE AND EXPECTED RAINFALL  
FROM PRIOR DAYS, AND A MARGINAL IS INTRODUCED FOR DAY 5/SUNDAY AS  
WELL. CONFIDENCE IN SPECIFICS LIKE HOW MUCH RAIN WILL FALL  
OFFSHORE/ONSHORE IS STILL NOT VERY HIGH.  
 
AFTER SUNDAY, UNCERTAIN DETAILS OF SOUTHERN TIER SHORTWAVE ENERGY  
CONTINUE TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO RESOLVE SPECIFICS OF THE RAINFALL  
FORECAST IN TERMS OF NORTHWARD EXTENT AND MAGNITUDE/LOCATION OF  
HIGHEST TOTALS. THE FRONTS SETTLING INTO THE SOUTHERN TIER SHOULD  
PROVIDE SOME FOCUS AT TIMES THOUGH, WHILE TRAILING HIGH PRESSURE  
PROMOTES A DRYING TREND FARTHER NORTH. THE NORTHWEST MAY SEE  
SCATTERED RAINFALL EARLY NEXT WEEK AS AN EASTERN PACIFIC UPPER LOW  
EJECTS INLAND.  
 
UPPER RIDGING TRACKING ACROSS THE NORTHWEST INTO THE NORTHERN HIGH  
PLAINS WILL PRODUCE WELL ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES OVER THAT PART  
OF THE COUNTRY DURING THE PERIOD, WITH SOME LOCATIONS SEEING  
GREATER THAN PLUS 10F ANOMALIES ON ONE OR MORE DAYS. MEANWHILE  
THERE WILL BE SOME LINGERING HEAT OVER PARTS OF THE SOUTHERN HALF  
OR SO OF THE EAST INTO THE WEEKEND BUT WITH HIGHS ONLY UP TO 5-10F  
ABOVE NORMAL. OTHERWISE, A DECENT PORTION OF THE CENTRAL/EASTERN  
U.S. WILL TEND TO SEE NEAR TO BELOW NORMAL HIGHS, WITH COOLEST  
ANOMALIES (SOME POCKETS OF HIGHS AT LEAST 10F BELOW NORMAL) OVER  
THE PLAINS SUNDAY-TUESDAY AND INTO THE EAST MONDAY-WEDNESDAY.  
 
TATE/RAUSCH  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC MEDIUM  
RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST (QPF), EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK (ERO), WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK (WWO) PROBABILITIES, HEAT  
INDICES, AND KEY MESSAGES CAN BE ACCESSED FROM:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 
 
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