732  
FXUS02 KWBC 111859  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
259 PM EDT WED SEP 11 2024  
 
VALID 12Z SAT SEP 14 2024 - 12Z WED SEP 18 2024  
 
   
..GENERAL OVERVIEW  
 
THE REMNANT LOW ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT IS NOW HURRICANE FRANCINE WILL  
CONTINUE TO DISSIPATE ACROSS THE OHIO VALLEY OVER THE WEEKEND,  
THOUGH WITH SOME LINGERING POTENTIAL FOR LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL TO  
THE SOUTHEAST. MEANWHILE, A CLOSED UPPER HIGH EXPECTED TO DRIFT  
OVER THE GREAT LAKES/NORTHEAST WILL PROMOTE ABOVE AVERAGE  
TEMPERATURES NEAR ITS PATH INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK. CONSOLIDATING  
ENERGY ALOFT SOUTH OF THE UPPER RIDGE MAY INTERACT WITH AN INITIAL  
FRONTAL WAVE OFF THE SOUTHEAST COAST TO DEVELOP A SURFACE SYSTEM  
(POSSIBLY BECOMING SUBTROPICAL/TROPICAL FOR A TIME) THAT TRACKS  
BACK ONTO LAND AND PRODUCES SOME ENHANCED RAINFALL. ACROSS THE  
WESTERN U.S., AN AMPLIFIED MEAN TROUGH WILL LIKELY SET UP NEAR THE  
WEST COAST WITH AN EMBEDDED LOW POSSIBLY REACHING NEAR CALIFORNIA  
BY EARLY MONDAY AND THEN EJECTING NORTHEASTWARD AS ADDITIONAL  
ENERGY DIGS INTO THE TROUGH BY WEDNESDAY. THE EJECTING UPPER LOW  
MAY PRODUCE AN AREA OF SIGNIFICANT PRECIPITATION DEPENDING ON ITS  
EXACT TRACK.  
   
..GUIDANCE/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT  
 
THE UPDATED FORECAST BASED ON 00Z/06Z GUIDANCE STARTED WITH A BLEND  
OF THE 00Z ECMWF/UKMET/CMC AND 06Z GEFS MEAN FOR ABOUT THE FIRST  
HALF OF THE PERIOD AND THEN QUICKLY TRANSITIONED TO A HALF MODEL  
(MORE ECMWF THAN CMC) AND HALF ENSEMBLE MEAN (06Z GEFS AND 00Z  
ECENS/CMCENS) MIX BY TUESDAY-WEDNESDAY. PRIMARY CONSIDERATIONS FOR  
REPLACING THE GFS WITH THE GEFS MEAN IN THE FORECAST WERE THAT THE  
00Z/06Z GFS RUNS WERE A COMBINED DEEP/NORTHWARD EXTREME WITH THE  
SYSTEM THAT MAY DEVELOP OVER THE WESTERN ATLANTIC AND THEN TRACK  
INTO THE CAROLINAS AND BEYOND, WHILE GFS RUNS ALSO STRAYED SOMEWHAT  
TO THE FAST SIDE WITH THE UPPER TROUGH/LOW EJECTING FROM WEST NEXT  
WEEK.  
 
THE EVOLUTION OVER THE WESTERN ATLANTIC INTO EASTERN U.S. STILL  
HAS BELOW AVERAGE CONFIDENCE IN SPECIFICS GIVEN DEPENDENCE ON  
SMALLER SCALE ENERGY UNDERNEATH THE NORTHEAST UPPER RIDGE,  
POTENTIAL CONVECTIVE INFLUENCES WHILE OFFSHORE, AND HOW MUCH TIME  
IT SPENDS OVER WATER. THE NEW 12Z CMC IS GRADUALLY RAISING THE  
PROBABILITY OF SOME VARIATION OF THE GFS/ECMWF SCENARIO, THOUGH  
THE UKMET/ICON HAVE VERY DIFFERENT IDEAS AND THE MACHINE LEARNING  
(ML) MODELS ARE ALSO MIXED REGARDING HOW MUCH SURFACE DEVELOPMENT  
MAY OCCUR. CYCLONE PHASE GUIDANCE SUGGESTS POTENTIAL FOR THIS  
FEATURE TO BECOME SUBTROPICAL/TROPICAL FOR A TIME, SO THE  
COORDINATED WPC/NHC DEPICTION DEPICTS SUCH AN IDEA AFTER SUNDAY.  
NEW 12Z MODEL TRENDS GENERALLY SHOW FASTER PROGRESSION FROM THE  
WESTERN ATLANTIC WESTWARD/NORTHWESTWARD.  
 
WITHIN THE WESTERN MEAN TROUGH, MOST OF THE ML MODELS PROVIDED  
ADDED SUPPORT ALONG WITH THE ENSEMBLE MEANS AND ECMWF/CMC FOR  
SLOWER MONDAY-WEDNESDAY SYSTEM EJECTION VERSUS THE 00Z/06Z GFS,  
WITH THE NEW 12Z GFS ADJUSTING SOMEWHAT SLOWER. THE ML MODELS ALSO  
REFLECT MOST DYNAMICAL GUIDANCE IN DIGGING ADDITIONAL ENERGY INTO  
THE TROUGH BY NEXT WEDNESDAY, THOUGH WITH TYPICAL UNCERTAINTY FOR  
THE TIME FRAME REGARDING EXISTENCE/LOCATION OF A POSSIBLE CLOSED  
LOW.  
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS  
 
THE REMNANT LOW FROM FRANCINE DISSIPATE BY SATURDAY AND EVOLVE  
INTO A SURFACE TROUGH, WHILE THE MAJORITY OF THE REMAINING  
RAINFALL SHOULD BE LOCATED TO THE EAST AND SOUTHEAST OF THE LOW.  
THERE WILL LIKELY BE A REMAINING INFLOW BAND ACROSS CENTRAL  
TENNESSEE AND EXTENDING INTO NORTHERN ALABAMA, WHERE LOCALLY HIGHER  
HIGHER RAINFALL TOTALS COULD BE OBSERVED. ORTHOGONAL LOW LEVEL  
FLOW ACROSS THE SOUTHERN APPALACHIANS COULD RESULT IN SOME HIGHER  
RAINFALL TOTALS HERE AS WELL, AND BOTH OF THESE REGIONS ARE  
ENCOMPASSED IN A BROAD MARGINAL RISK AREA FOR THE DAY 4/SATURDAY  
EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK. BY DAY 5/SUNDAY, A LINGERING BAND OF  
ENHANCED RAINFALL POTENTIAL MAY EXIST OVER PARTS OF THE TENNESSEE  
VALLEY/SOUTH WITH A MARGINAL RISK AREA IN THE ERO. IN ADDITION,  
WHILE THE CURRENT DETERMINISTIC FORECAST FOR THE SYSTEM THAT MAY  
DEVELOP OFF THE SOUTHEAST COAST IS NOT AS FAST, TRENDS IN THE 12Z  
MODELS OFFER ENOUGH SUPPORT FROM PROBABILISTIC PERSPECTIVE TO  
INTRODUCE A MARGINAL RISK AREA IN THE DAY 5 ERO NEAR THE COAST OF  
THE CAROLINAS. BEYOND EARLY MONDAY, SOME AREAS OF HEAVY RAINFALL MY  
EXTEND FARTHER WEST/NORTHWEST INTO THE APPALACHIANS, WITH NORTHWARD  
EXTENT BEING SENSITIVE TO STRENGTH OF RIDGING AT THE SURFACE AND  
ALOFT.  
 
SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ARE LIKELY THIS WEEKEND FOR PARTS OF THE  
SOUTHWEST WITH AN INCREASED MOISTURE CONNECTION AHEAD OF A  
POSSIBLE TROPICAL DISTURBANCE LIFTING NORTH OVER THE SOUTHERN BAJA  
PENINSULA, AND A WEAK SHORTWAVE PASSING THROUGH. TO ACCOUNT FOR  
THE POSSIBILITY OF ENHANCED RAINFALL, MARGINAL RISK AREAS ARE  
MAINTAINED FOR SOUTHERN PORTIONS OF ARIZONA ON SATURDAY, AND  
EXTENDING FARTHER NORTH INTO ARIZONA AND WESTERN NEW MEXICO ON  
SUNDAY. ELSEWHERE ACROSS THE WEST, INCREASING SHOWERS AND STORMS  
ARE LIKELY BY EARLY NEXT WEEK AS UPPER TROUGHING AMPLIFIES NEAR THE  
WEST COAST AND EJECTS NORTHEASTWARD. BASED ON THE CURRENT FORECAST  
OF THE EJECTING EMBEDDED LOW, THE NORTHERN ROCKIES MAY BE A FOCUS  
FOR HEAVY RAINFALL AROUND TUESDAY. THE SOUTHERN PLAINS MAY ALSO SEE  
SCATTERED SHOWERS/STORMS AS TROPICAL MOISTURE GETS WRAPPED IN  
AHEAD OF THE WESTERN TROUGH.  
 
NEAR TO SLIGHTLY BELOW NORMAL HIGH TEMPERATURES OVER THE WEST ON  
SATURDAY WILL TREND COLDER WITH TIME HEADING INTO THE START OF NEXT  
WEEK AND THEN PERSIST THROUGH WEDNESDAY AS MEAN TROUGHING ALOFT  
BECOMES ESTABLISHED. A FAIRLY BROAD AREA OF HIGHS 10 TO PERHAPS 20  
DEGREES BELOW NORMAL WILL BE POSSIBLE BY NEXT MONDAY-WEDNESDAY FROM  
CALIFORNIA AND PARTS OF OREGON INTO THE INTERMOUNTAIN WEST AND  
NORTHERN ROCKIES. MEANWHILE, EXPECT WARM CONDITIONS TO CONTINUE  
FROM MOST OF THE PLAINS INTO THE GREAT LAKES AND PARTS OF THE  
NORTHEAST WHERE UPPER LEVEL RIDGING WILL TEND TO GOVERN THE OVERALL  
WEATHER PATTERN.  
 
RAUSCH/HAMRICK  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC MEDIUM  
RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST (QPF), EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK (ERO), WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK (WWO) PROBABILITIES, HEAT  
INDICES, AND KEY MESSAGES CAN BE ACCESSED FROM:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 
 
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