749  
FXUS02 KWBC 150700  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
300 AM EDT SUN SEP 15 2024  
 
VALID 12Z WED SEP 18 2024 - 12Z SUN SEP 22 2024  
 
...POSSIBLE SUBTROPICAL OR TROPICAL LOW COULD SPREAD HEAVY RAIN TO  
THE MID-ATLANTIC INTO WEDNESDAY...  
 
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
RELOADING UPPER TROUGHING WILL BE IN PLACE ACROSS THE WESTERN U.S.  
THROUGH THIS WEEK, PROMOTING COOLER WEATHER AND RAIN PLUS HIGHER  
ELEVATION SNOW. SOME RAIN WILL SPREAD INTO THE PLAINS AS WELL,  
BECOMING MODERATE TO HEAVY AT SOME LOCATIONS INTO LATE WEEK, BUT  
WITH WARMER THAN AVERAGE TEMPERATURES. MEANWHILE IN THE EAST, A  
PERSISTENT UPPER LOW WILL MEANDER WHILE POTENTIALLY ACCOMPANIED BY  
SURFACE LOW PRESSURE SYSTEMS. IN PARTICULAR, NHC AND WPC ARE  
MONITORING POSSIBLE SURFACE LOW DEVELOPMENT IN THE SHORT TERM OFF  
THE SOUTHEAST COAST (MAY BECOME TROPICAL OR SUBTROPICAL) THAT COULD  
BE INLAND OVER THE MID-ATLANTIC AT THE START OF THE PERIOD  
WEDNESDAY. HOWEVER THERE HAS BEEN CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY WITH  
THIS SYSTEM'S EVOLUTION AND PATH ALONG WITH THE COVERAGE/INTENSITY  
OF ASSOCIATED RAINFALL.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
THE EASTERN U.S. IS THE AREA OF GREATEST UNCERTAINTY DURING THE  
EARLY PART OF THE MEDIUM RANGE PERIOD, DESPITE GENERAL AGREEMENT IN  
AN UPPER LOW MEANDERING THERE, LIKELY SINKING SOUTH BY NEXT  
WEEKEND. HOWEVER, DETAILS OF ENERGY WITHIN THE UPPER LOW AND TROUGH  
WILL IMPACT THE PATTERN AT THE SURFACE, INCLUDING A LOW PRESSURE  
SYSTEM THAT COULD SHOW TROPICAL OR SUBTROPICAL DEVELOPMENT EARLY TO  
MIDWEEK. BY THE START OF THE PERIOD WEDNESDAY, THIS SURFACE LOW  
SEEMS MOST LIKELY TO BE ONSHORE WITH A MIDDLE GROUND CONSENSUS  
POSSIBLY OVER VIRGINIA. WHETHER THE LOW WILL BE  
TROPICAL/SUBTROPICAL OR EXTRATROPICAL REMAINS IN QUESTION. BY  
WEDNESDAY IT MAY BE ACQUIRING FRONTS EVEN IF IT APPROACHES THE U.S.  
AS TROPICAL OR SUBTROPICAL, WHICH IS CERTAINLY A POSSIBILITY PER  
THE NHC OUTLOOK PROBABILITIES AND A LOOK AT THE CYCLONE PHASE SPACE  
DIAGRAMS FROM VARIOUS MODELS. THE STRUCTURE/TYPE OF THE LOW WILL  
ALSO IMPACT QPF. THE 12Z ECMWF SEEMED LIKE A SOUTHWESTERN OUTLIER  
IN ITS QPF FOCUS COMPARED TO THE 12Z EC MEAN AND OTHER GUIDANCE  
LIKE THE CMC AND UKMET, SO FOR QPF DID BLEND IN SOME OF THESE  
SOLUTIONS TO THE NBM FOR A TREND NORTH. THE FORECAST WILL LIKELY  
CONTINUE TO FLUCTUATE GIVEN THE CONTINUED MODEL SPREAD. LATER IN  
THE WEEK, WEAK LOWS THAT MAY STAY FRONTAL MAY FORM OVER THE WESTERN  
ATLANTIC SUPPORTED BY THE TROUGHING ALOFT.  
 
IN THE WEST, THERE IS GENERALLY BETTER MODEL AGREEMENT FOR AT  
LEAST THE EARLY PART OF THE PERIOD, AS A FIRST UPPER LOW AND ITS  
ASSOCIATED SURFACE LOW PIVOT NORTHEAST FROM MONTANA INTO SOUTHERN  
CANADA WEDNESDAY-THURSDAY WHILE TRAILING ENERGY DIGGING ACROSS  
CALIFORNIA MAY CREATE ANOTHER EMBEDDED UPPER LOW. BY FRIDAY AND  
BEYOND THOUGH, MODELS SHOW INCREASING SPREAD REGARDING NORTH  
PACIFIC FLOW ENTERING THE WESTERN NORTH AMERICA MEAN TROUGH AND ITS  
INFLUENCE ON THURSDAY'S CALIFORNIA/NEVADA TROUGH OR UPPER LOW. THE  
FLOW PATTERN IN THE 18Z GFS LED TO AN INTERIOR WEST TO CENTRAL  
U.S. TROUGH EJECTING EAST MUCH MORE QUICKLY THAN CONSENSUS. THE 12Z  
GFS SHOWED BETTER POSITIONING WITH THIS TROUGH BUT WAS  
FASTER/FLATTER THAN FAVORED WITH THE NORTHERN STREAM. THE NEWER 00Z  
GFS FORTUNATELY NOW SEEMS TO HAVE BETTER AGREEMENT WITH THE EC/CMC  
AND ENSEMBLE MEANS.  
 
THE WPC FORECAST BEGAN WITH A BLEND OF THE DETERMINISTIC MODELS  
(12/18Z GFS AND 12Z ECMWF/CMC/UKMET). GRADUALLY DECREASED THE  
PROPORTION OF THE DETERMINISTIC MODELS, PARTICULARLY THE GFS RUNS  
(AND THE TIME-LIMITED UKMET), AS THE PERIOD PROGRESSED IN FAVOR OF  
THE GEFS AND EC ENSEMBLE MEANS. THE ENSEMBLE MEAN PROPORTION  
REACHED HALF BY DAY 6 AND MORE BY DAY 7 GIVEN THE INCREASING  
SPREAD.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
THE SURFACE LOW THAT MAY BE TROPICAL OR SUBTROPICAL PER NHC/WPC  
COORDINATION REMAINS MORE UNCERTAIN THAN DESIRED, BUT FOR NOW IS  
MOST LIKELY TO BE LOCATED IN VIRGINIA OR VICINITY BY WEDNESDAY,  
SPREADING RAIN INTO THE MID-ATLANTIC AND APPALACHIANS. FOR  
WEDNESDAY/DAY 4, A MARGINAL RISK AREA REMAINS IN PLACE ACROSS MUCH  
OF THE MID-ATLANTIC REGION AND STRETCHES INTO SOUTHERN PARTS OF THE  
NORTHEAST GIVEN A SLIGHTLY FASTER TREND IN THE RAIN SPREADING  
NORTH AND EAST. ABOVE NORMAL MOISTURE LOOKS TO LINGER INTO  
THURSDAY/DAY 5, PROMPTING A CONTINUED MARGINAL RISK IN THE MID-  
ATLANTIC ESPECIALLY AFTER A WET PREVIOUS COUPLE OF DAYS. SHOWERS  
ARE LIKELY TO PERSIST INTO LATE WEEK ALONG PARTS OF THE EASTERN  
SEABOARD AS UPPER TROUGHING REMAINS OVERHEAD. THE FLORIDA PENINSULA  
COULD ALSO SEE SOME FOCUSED CONVECTION DUE TO A FRONTAL BOUNDARY  
IN A MOIST ENVIRONMENT. CURRENTLY THIS THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY SEEMS  
TO BE SUB-MARGINAL RISK FOR FLASH FLOODING, BUT IF GUIDANCE IS  
AGREEABLE IN TRENDING UPWARD WITH AMOUNTS IN FUTURE CYCLES, FUTURE  
MARGINALS CANNOT BE RULED OUT, ESPECIALLY FOR THE TYPICALLY  
SENSITIVE URBAN CORRIDOR OF SOUTHEAST FLORIDA.  
 
THE MEAN TROUGH ALOFT OVER THE WEST WILL PROVIDE AMPLE  
LIFT/FORCING TO SUPPORT ROUNDS OF PRECIPITATION THERE THIS WEEK.  
HEAVY RAIN MAY LINGER ACROSS PARTS OF MONTANA ON DAY 4/WEDNESDAY  
FOR A CONTINUED MARGINAL RISK, AS THE REGION COULD SEE HEAVY RAIN  
RATES FOR MULTIPLE HOURS NEAR THE TRACK OF A LEADING UPPER LOW  
EJECTING THROUGH THE NORTHERN ROCKIES, WITH POTENTIAL FOR SOME  
INSTABILITY TO BE IN PLACE. THE SECONDARY UPPER LOW SHOULD THEN  
SPREAD PRECIPITATION FROM THE WEST COAST STATES MIDWEEK INTO THE  
GREAT BASIN AND ROCKIES. THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS CAN EXPECT SNOW WITH  
BOTH OF THESE SYSTEMS GIVEN THE DEPTH OF THE UPPER LOW. FARTHER  
EAST, SCATTERED RAIN AND THUNDERSTORMS ARE LIKELY IN THE PLAINS FOR  
MULTIPLE DAYS THIS WEEK NEAR AND AHEAD OF FRONTAL SYSTEMS.  
RAINFALL AMOUNTS MAY INCREASE IN THE NORTH- CENTRAL U.S. BY LATER  
WEEK, AS THE FRONT TRAILING FROM THE INITIAL MONTANA INTO CANADA  
SYSTEM STALLS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME WHILE AWAITING SOME COMBINATION  
OF NORTHERN STREAM AND WESTERN U.S. DYNAMICS (WITH POSSIBLE SURFACE  
LOW DEVELOPMENT).  
 
UNDERNEATH THE UPPER TROUGH IN THE WEST, MUCH COOLER THAN NORMAL  
TEMPERATURES ARE EXPECTED. HIGH TEMPERATURES WILL BE 15-25F BELOW  
NORMAL ACROSS MUCH OF THE WEST, GRADUALLY MODERATING CLOSER TO  
NORMAL ACROSS THE WEST COAST STATES BUT WITH SOME MINUS 10-15F  
ANOMALIES PERSISTING IN THE INTERIOR WEST AND REACHING THE NORTHERN  
HIGH PLAINS OVER THE WEEKEND. SOME AREAS MAY REACH THE FREEZING  
MARK IN THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS OF THE GREAT BASIN/ROCKIES.  
MEANWHILE, THE CENTRAL U.S. SHOULD SEE WARMER THAN NORMAL HIGHS BY  
10-15F AND LOWS BY 15-20F, INCLUDING HIGHS IN THE 90S IN THE  
SOUTHERN HALF OF THE PLAINS, THROUGH THE LATTER HALF OF THE WEEK.  
THE SCOPE OF ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES WILL DECREASE INTO THE  
WEEKEND AND MAINLY FOCUS ACROSS THE UPPER GREAT LAKES TO THE OHIO  
VALLEY. THE NORTHEAST CAN EXPECT WARMER THAN AVERAGE TEMPERATURES  
UNTIL A COLD FRONTAL PASSAGE LATE WEEK, WHILE TEMPERATURES SOUTH OF  
THERE ARE FORECAST TO BE NEAR TO BELOW NORMAL.  
 
TATE  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC MEDIUM  
RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST (QPF), EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK (ERO), WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK (WWO) PROBABILITIES, HEAT  
INDICES, AND KEY MESSAGES CAN BE ACCESSED FROM:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 
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