230  
FXUS02 KWBC 241854  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
254 PM EDT TUE SEP 24 2024  
 
VALID 12Z FRI SEP 27 2024 - 12Z TUE OCT 01 2024  
 
...HELENE TO BRING IMPACTFUL HEAVY RAIN, HIGH WIND, AND COASTAL  
FLOODING THREAT TO THE CENTRAL TO EASTERN GULF COAST/SOUTHEAST  
AHEAD/WITH LANDFALL AS A MAJOR HURRICANE ON THURSDAY...  
 
   
..GUIDANCE/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
THE MAIN FORECAST STORY IS THE THREAT AND IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH  
TROPICAL STORM HELENE. RECENT GUIDANCE HAS COME INTO BETTER  
AGREEMENT IN DEPICTING A SPLIT FLOW PATTERN WITH AN UPPER- TROUGH  
LIFTING NORTHWARD OVER THE NORTHEAST AS A CUT-OFF UPPER-LOW DROPS  
SOUTHWARD OVER THE MIDDLE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY/OZARKS  
REGION. THIS UPPER-LEVEL LOW THEN LINGERS IN THE GENERAL VICINITY  
INTO THE WEEKEND AS UPPER-RIDGING MOVES IN TO THE NORTH OVER THE  
GREAT LAKES/SOUTHEASTERN CANADA. AT THE SAME TIME, THE NHC FORECAST  
FOR HELENE BRINGS THE SYSTEM NORTHWARD ACROSS THE FLORIDA  
PANHANDLE REGION AS A MAJOR HURRICANE AND INTO THE SOUTHEAST AS IT  
UNDERGOES EXTRATROPICAL TRANSITION THURSDAY INTO FRIDAY. THE 06Z  
GFS/00Z ECMWF MADE FOR A NICE COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE MORE SOUTHWEST  
UKMET AND MORE NORTHEAST CANADIAN MODEL WITH THE COLD LOW WHICH  
HELENE OCCLUDES BACK INTO, SO THE PRESSURES, FRONTS, QPF, AND WINDS  
WERE WEIGHTED TOWARDS THOSE PIECES OF GUIDANCE. THE REMAINDER OF  
THE GRIDS STARTED WITH THE 13Z NBM WHICH WAS WEIGHTED MORE TOWARDS  
THE 06Z GFS/00Z ECMWF SOLUTIONS.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
HELEN MOVES NORTHWARD INTO THE GULF OF MEXICO THREATENING MARITIME  
INTERESTS AND THE CENTRAL TO EASTERN GULF COAST/SOUTHEAST MID-LATE  
WEEK, WITH THE SYSTEM SET TO MOVE INLAND THURSDAY INTO FRIDAY.  
CONFIDENCE IS GROWING IN A LARGE SYSTEM, DUE TO ITS INTERACTION  
WITH A COLD LOW TO ITS NORTHWEST AND WEST, THAT WILL BRING  
SIGNIFICANT RAINFALL/WINDS/SURF/COASTAL FLOODING FOR THE CENTRAL TO  
EASTERN GULF COAST/FLORIDA, WITH IMPACTFUL WEATHER POSSIBLE  
THROUGH THE SOUTHEAST, AND WRAPPING BACK INTO THE MID-SOUTH LATE  
WEEK INTO THE WEEKEND. THE DAY 4/FRIDAY ERO PERIOD FEATURES ITS  
ANOMALOUS MOISTURE FEED INTO THE SOUTHERN APPALACHIANS AS WELL AS  
OVER THE OZARK REGION AS HELENE OCCLUDES UNDER THE COLD LOW, WITH  
BOTH REGIONS COVERED WITH SLIGHT RISKS OUTLOOK THREAT AREAS. A  
SIMILAR AREA DEPICTED FOR THE DAY 5/SATURDAY ERO SHOWS A SCALING  
DOWN ERO VERSION AS HELENE BROADENS AND WEAKENS. HOWEVER, AMPLE  
LINGERING DEEP TROPICAL MOISTURE WILL REMAIN TO FUEL THE ELONGATED  
MARGINAL THREAT AREA. MORE CERTAIN LOCAL FOCUS CLOSER TO OCCURRENCE  
WOULD LIKELY LEAD TO SLIGHT RISK ISSUANCE UPGRADES, ESPECIALLY  
GIVEN EARLIER PERIOD HEAVY RAINFALL WILL CREATE SATURATED SOILS. A  
MODERATE RISK WAS CONSIDERED FOR PORTIONS OF THE APPALACHIANS FOR  
THE DAY 4 ERO, BUT THE MAIN DRAWBACKS SHIFTS IN THE MODEL GUIDANCE  
WITH HELENE'S TRACK AND CONCERN THAT HELENE ACCELERATES FASTER THAN  
THE GUIDANCE CURRENTLY ADVERTISES. LEFT THE OVERNIGHT ERO LEVELS  
AS THEY WERE.  
 
THE WASHINGTON COASTAL RANGES AND CASCADES WILL SEE ENHANCED RAIN  
LATE WEEK WITH PACIFIC SYSTEM PASSAGES EARLY TO MID NEXT WEEK, BUT  
THE REMAINDER OF THE WEST AND MOST OF THE PLAINS WILL BE DRY.  
WARMER THAN AVERAGE TEMPERATURES ARE EXPECTED TO TRANSLATE FROM THE  
NORTHERN PLAINS EAST INTO THE MIDWEST LATER THIS WEEK INTO THE  
WEEKEND FOLLOWING UPPER-LEVEL RIDGING, WITH ANOMALIES DECREASING BY  
EARLY NEXT WEEK. COOLER THAN AVERAGE TEMPERATURES ARE EXPECTED  
CENTERED AROUND THE OZARKS REGION UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF POST-  
TROPICAL CYCLONE HELENE, ALSO RETURNING CLOSER TO AVERAGE BY EARLY  
NEXT WEEK AS THE UPPER- LOW DISSIPATES.  
 
ROTH/SCHICHTEL  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC MEDIUM  
RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST (QPF), EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK (ERO), WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK (WWO) PROBABILITIES, HEAT  
INDICES, AND KEY MESSAGES CAN BE ACCESSED FROM:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 
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