065  
FXUS02 KWBC 010658  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
258 AM EDT TUE OCT 1 2024  
 
VALID 12Z FRI OCT 04 2024 - 12Z TUE OCT 08 2024  
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
FOR THE FRIDAY-TUESDAY PERIOD, LATEST MODELS AND ENSEMBLES  
CONTINUE TO SHOW A PATTERN TRANSITION FROM PROGRESSIVE NORTHERN  
TIER FLOW TOWARD AN AMPLIFYING EASTERN U.S./ATLANTIC COAST TROUGH  
WHILE A MEAN RIDGE COVERING MUCH OF THE WEST EXTENDS INTO THE  
PLAINS, PRODUCING AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF UNSEASONABLY WARM TO HOT  
WEATHER. SEPARATE FRONTS AFFECTING THE NORTHEAST AND NORTHWEST  
LATE THIS WEEK SHOULD GENERATE MAINLY LIGHT RAIN, BUT THE FRONT  
AND POTENTIAL EMBEDDED SURFACE SYSTEM REACHING NEAR THE EAST COAST  
NEXT WEEK COULD SUPPORT MORE ORGANIZED RAINFALL OVER THAT REGION.  
FARTHER SOUTH, NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED REGARDING THE OVERALL FORECAST  
EVOLUTION FAVORING LOW PRESSURE AND HEAVY RAINFALL POTENTIAL OVER  
THE GULF OF MEXICO WITH SOME POCKETS OF ENHANCED MOISTURE POSSIBLY  
EXTENDING INTO SOME AREAS ALONG THE GULF COAST, BUT WITH POOR  
AGREEMENT/CONSISTENCY FOR DETAILS. THERE MAY BE MULTIPLE SURFACE  
FEATURES TO FOCUS RAINFALL, INCLUDING ONE LIFTING FROM THE  
NORTHWESTERN CARIBBEAN INTO THE GULF AND ANOTHER THAT MAY BE OVER  
THE WESTERN GULF.  
   
..GUIDANCE/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
GUIDANCE AGREEMENT FOR NORTHERN STREAM FLOW LATE THIS WEEK INTO  
THE WEEKEND HAS BEEN INCREMENTALLY IMPROVING, WITH FAIRLY STRONG  
CLUSTERING AMONG MOST DYNAMICAL MODEL/ENSEMBLE SOLUTIONS OVER THE  
PAST DAY BUT WITH A LINGERING STRAY SOLUTION OR TWO. FOR EXAMPLE,  
THE 18Z GFS WAS A BIT ON THE SLOW SIDE WITH THE UPPER SHORTWAVE  
PROGRESSING FROM THE EAST PACIFIC INTO THE UPPER MIDWEST, WHILE BY  
SUNDAY THE THE NEW 00Z CMC CLOSES OFF AN EMBEDDED LOW IN A WAY NOT  
DEPICTED IN OTHER GUIDANCE. TROUGH DETAILS BECOME MORE OF A  
QUESTION MARK TOWARD THE EAST COAST BY NEXT MONDAY-TUESDAY. ECMWF  
RUNS HAVE CONSISTENTLY CLOSING OFF AN UPPER LOW AROUND NEW ENGLAND  
AND THE PREVIOUSLY OPEN GFS NOW SHOWS A CLOSED LOW IN THE 00Z RUN.  
MACHINE LEARNING (ML) MODELS AND THE ECMWF AIFS MEAN KEEP THE  
TROUGH MORE OPEN LIKE THE ENSEMBLE MEANS, THOUGH THE 00Z GEFS/12Z  
ECENS MEANS EVENTUALLY IMPLY AN UPPER LOW OVER THE CANADIAN  
MARITIMES AFTER TUESDAY. IN SPITE OF THE MORE OPEN UPPER TROUGH,  
THE ML MODELS DO OFFER SOME SIGNAL FOR A SURFACE WAVE NEAR NEW  
ENGLAND, JUST IN LESS PRONOUNCED FORM THAN THE SOLUTIONS WITH A  
CLOSED UPPER LOW. ALSO WORTH KEEPING AN EYE ON, BY TUESDAY SOME ML  
MODELS SHOW MORE POTENTIAL FOR A SHORTWAVE FROM HUDSON BAY  
SOUTH/SOUTHWESTWARD VERSUS WHAT MOST DYNAMICAL GUIDANCE SHOWS.  
 
THE FORECAST OVER AND NEAR THE GULF OF MEXICO CONTINUES TO HAVE LOW  
PREDICTABILITY DUE TO A COMBINATION OF SMALLER-SCALE FEATURES. ONE  
WAVE MAY TRACK INTO THE CENTRAL/EAST-CENTRAL GULF FROM THE  
NORTHWESTERN CARIBBEAN WHILE ANOTHER FEATURE MAY EVOLVE OVER THE  
WESTERN GULF, WITH THE SURFACE/QPF DETAILS ALSO POTENTIALLY  
AFFECTED BY ENERGY ALOFT OVER TEXAS AND NEARBY AREAS. AS FOR THE  
LATTER, THE 00Z GFS IS A NOTABLY STRONG SOLUTION WITH ITS UPPER  
FEATURE OVER TEXAS. MINUS THE 12Z CMC WHICH WAS VERY FAST WITH ITS  
CARIBBEAN/EASTERN GULF SYSTEM (AS SOME EARLIER RUNS WERE), RECENT  
TRENDS IN GUIDANCE OVERALL HAVE BEEN TO HOLD LOW PRESSURE OVER THE  
GULF FOR A LONGER TIME BEFORE IT TRACKS EASTWARD TOWARD FLORIDA.  
SOME NEW 00Z SOLUTIONS ARE STILL OVER THE CENTRAL GULF BY NEXT  
TUESDAY. THE UPDATED FORECAST REFLECTS WPC/NHC COORDINATED  
CONTINUITY OVER THE WESTERN GULF WITH A TROUGH, AND CLOSE TO  
CONTINUITY WITH THE SPOT LOW OVER THE CENTRAL/EASTERN GULF.  
CONTINUE TO MONITOR OUTLOOKS FROM THE NATIONAL HURRICANE  
CENTER FOR THE LATEST INFORMATION ON FEATURES OF INTEREST.  
 
FOR THE MOST PART, AN OPERATIONAL MODEL BLEND SUFFICED FOR THE  
EARLY PART OF THE FORECAST. THE 18Z GFS COMPONENT WAS SPLIT WITH  
THE GEFS MEAN DUE TO THE FORMER BEING SLOW WITH THE NORTHERN TIER  
PACIFIC SHORTWAVE. BY MID-LATE PERIOD, THE 12Z CMC WAS REMOVED DUE  
TO ITS NONCONFORMING GULF SYSTEM WHILE THE BLEND TRANSITIONED  
TOWARD A BLEND OF THE 18Z GFS/12Z ECMWF AND THEIR ENSEMBLE MEANS  
DUE TO DECREASING CONFIDENCE IN DETAIL SPECIFICS.  
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
 
VERY LITTLE HAS CHANGED OVER THE PAST DAY IN TERMS OF THE LOW  
CONFIDENCE FOR WHERE AREAS OF HEAVY RAIN COULD EXTEND INTO SOME  
COASTAL/INLAND AREAS NEAR THE GULF COAST DURING THE PERIOD. FOR THE  
FRIDAY-SATURDAY TIME FRAME COVERED BY THE DAYS 4-5 EXCESSIVE  
RAINFALL OUTLOOKS, THERE ARE MINORITY MODEL SOLUTIONS  
SHOWING POCKETS OF ENHANCED RAINFALL ALONG PARTS OF THE  
CENTRAL/EAST-CENTRAL GULF COAST AND/OR THE TEXAS COAST. HOWEVER  
WHILE SEPARATE ENSEMBLE SYSTEMS DIFFER OVER WHERE THE BEST HEAVY  
RAIN POTENTIAL WILL BE OVER THE GULF, THEY DO NOT EXTEND THEIR  
BETTER PROBABILITIES TO LAND. THE COMBINATION OF POOR GUIDANCE  
CLUSTERING/CONTINUITY AND HIGH FLASH FLOOD GUIDANCE VALUES ALONG  
THE GULF COAST REGION CONTINUE TO FAVOR NOT DEPICTING ANY RISK  
AREAS ON THE DAYS 4-5 EROS. RECENT GUIDANCE HAS BEEN SUGGESTING  
THAT SOME HEAVY RAIN MAY EVENTUALLY SPREAD ACROSS FLORIDA BY EARLY  
NEXT WEEK, PERHAPS AIDED BY A FRONT APPROACHING FROM THE NORTH.  
 
FROM FRIDAY THROUGH THE WEEKEND, EXPECT LIGHTER RAINFALL ALONG  
PORTIONS OF THE FRONTS SUPPORTED BY NORTHERN STREAM DYNAMICS. ONE  
FRONT MAY PRODUCE AREAS OF LIGHT RAIN OVER THE NORTHEAST LATE THIS  
WEEK WHILE A FRONT REACHING THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST AROUND FRIDAY  
MAY PRODUCE SOME LIGHT RAIN AS WELL. A FRONTAL SYSTEM AND POSSIBLE  
DEVELOPING EMBEDDED LOW MAY PRODUCE MORE ORGANIZED RAINFALL TOWARD  
THE EAST COAST BY NEXT MONDAY-TUESDAY. COVERAGE AND MAGNITUDE WILL  
DEPEND ON SYSTEM SPECIFICS THAT HAVE LOWER CONFIDENCE AT THIS TIME.  
AN APPROACHING PACIFIC FRONT MAY BRING LIGHT RAIN TO THE NORTHERN  
PACIFIC NORTHWEST EARLY NEXT WEEK.  
 
THE STRONG AND PERSISTENT UPPER RIDGE COVERING THE WEST AND  
EXTENDING INTO THE PLAINS WILL SUPPORT A LENGTHY PERIOD OF WELL  
ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES OVER MAY PARTS OF THE WESTERN/CENTRAL  
U.S. HIGHS 10-20F OR SO ABOVE NORMAL WILL BE COMMON AND NUMEROUS  
DAILY RECORDS APPEAR LIKELY FROM THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE WEST  
INTO PARTS OF THE HIGH PLAINS, ESPECIALLY FRIDAY-SUNDAY. EASTERN  
U.S. TEMPERATURES WILL VARY IN THE NEAR TO ABOVE NORMAL RANGE UNTIL  
THE EAST COAST TROUGH DROPS SOME HIGHS MODERATELY BELOW NORMAL NEXT  
TUESDAY.  
 
RAUSCH  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC MEDIUM  
RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST (QPF), EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK (ERO), WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK (WWO) PROBABILITIES, HEAT  
INDICES, AND KEY MESSAGES CAN BE ACCESSED FROM:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 
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