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FXUS02 KWBC 011900  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
300 PM EDT TUE OCT 1 2024  
 
VALID 12Z FRI OCT 04 2024 - 12Z TUE OCT 08 2024  
 
...ANOMALOUS HEAT WILL PERSIST ACROSS THE SOUTHWEST INTO THE  
WEEKEND...  
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
LATEST MODELS AND ENSEMBLES CONTINUE TO SHOW A PATTERN TRANSITION  
FROM PROGRESSIVE NORTHERN TIER FLOW LATE THIS WEEK TOWARD AN  
AMPLIFYING EASTERN U.S./ATLANTIC COAST TROUGH EARLY NEXT WEEK WHILE  
A MEAN RIDGE COVERING MUCH OF THE WEST EXTENDS INTO THE PLAINS,  
PRODUCING AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF UNSEASONABLY WARM TO HOT WEATHER.  
SEPARATE FRONTS AFFECTING THE NORTHEAST AND NORTHWEST LATE THIS  
WEEK SHOULD GENERATE MAINLY LIGHT RAIN, BUT A FRONT AND POTENTIAL  
EMBEDDED SURFACE SYSTEM REACHING NEAR THE EAST COAST NEXT WEEK  
COULD SUPPORT MORE ORGANIZED RAINFALL OVER THAT REGION. FARTHER  
SOUTH, NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED REGARDING THE OVERALL FORECAST  
EVOLUTION FAVORING LOW PRESSURE AND HEAVY RAINFALL POTENTIAL OVER  
THE GULF OF MEXICO WITH SOME POCKETS OF ENHANCED MOISTURE POSSIBLY  
EXTENDING INTO SOME AREAS ALONG THE GULF COAST, BUT WITH POOR  
AGREEMENT/CONSISTENCY FOR DETAILS. THERE MAY BE MULTIPLE SURFACE  
FEATURES TO FOCUS RAINFALL, INCLUDING ONE LIFTING FROM THE  
NORTHWESTERN CARIBBEAN INTO THE GULF AND ANOTHER THAT MAY BE OVER  
THE WESTERN GULF, WITH SOME POTENTIAL FOR THESE TO COMBINE INTO  
EARLY NEXT WEEK.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
GUIDANCE AGREEMENT FOR NORTHERN STREAM FLOW LATE THIS WEEK INTO  
THE WEEKEND HAS BEEN RATHER GOOD OTHER THAN A LINGERING STRAY  
SOLUTION OR TWO. THE 00Z CMC SEEMED TO BE THE BIGGEST OUTLIER AS IT  
SHOWED A CLOSED LOW EMBEDDED WITHIN THE TROUGH ATOP THE UPPER  
MIDWEST TO GREAT LAKES SUNDAY-MONDAY UNLIKE OTHER MODELS WITH THEIR  
PHASED TROUGH. TROUGH DETAILS BECOME MORE OF A QUESTION MARK  
TOWARD THE EAST COAST BY NEXT MONDAY-TUESDAY AS ENERGY PIVOTS  
EASTWARD. GFS RUNS LATELY HAVE INDICATED AN UPPER LOW CLOSING OFF  
NEAR NEW ENGLAND AND THE NEARBY WESTERN ATLANTIC BY TUESDAY, WITH  
THE 00/12Z RUNS SHOWING FAIRLY SIMILAR POSITION WHILE THE 06Z WAS  
MORE NORTH. WHILE EC RUNS WERE DISPLAYING A CLOSED UPPER LOW ALBEIT  
A BIT FARTHER SOUTH TOWARD THE MID-ATLANTIC, THE NEW 12Z EC HAS  
BECOME MORE LIKE THE AI/ML MODELS BY SHOWING A PHASED TROUGH. THESE  
DIFFERENCES WILL ALSO AFFECT THE ASSOCIATED SURFACE LOW'S DEPTH  
AND POSITION NEAR NEW ENGLAND; 12Z MODEL RUNS ARE GENERALLY WEAKER  
THAN THE 00Z/06Z GUIDANCE. ALSO WORTH KEEPING AN EYE ON, BY TUESDAY  
A FEW ML MODELS SHOW MORE POTENTIAL FOR A SHORTWAVE FROM HUDSON  
BAY SOUTH/SOUTHWESTWARD VERSUS WHAT MOST DYNAMICAL GUIDANCE SHOWS.  
THE 12Z CMC ALSO GOES ALL IN ON THIS ENERGY, DIGGING IT INTO THE  
MIDWEST BY TUESDAY, UNLIKE OTHER MODELS.  
 
THE FORECAST OVER AND NEAR THE GULF OF MEXICO CONTINUES TO HAVE  
LOW PREDICTABILITY DUE TO A COMBINATION OF SMALLER-SCALE FEATURES.  
ONE WAVE MAY TRACK INTO THE CENTRAL/EAST-CENTRAL GULF FROM THE  
NORTHWESTERN CARIBBEAN WHILE ANOTHER FEATURE MAY EVOLVE OVER THE  
WESTERN GULF, WITH THE SURFACE/QPF DETAILS ALSO POTENTIALLY  
AFFECTED BY ENERGY ALOFT OVER TEXAS AND NEARBY AREAS. PER  
COORDINATION WITH NHC, THESE FEATURES MAY PHASE AT SOME POINT NEXT  
WEEK AS THEY APPROACH AND INTERACT. GUIDANCE SHOWS THE SYSTEM(S)  
COULD LINGER AND MEANDER OVER THE GULF EVEN INTO THE MIDDLE OF NEXT  
WEEK. THIS APPEARS TO BE A MESSY EVOLUTION AS FRONTS AND MOISTURE  
GRADIENTS ARE ALSO EVIDENT NEARBY. CONTINUE TO MONITOR OUTLOOKS  
FROM THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER FOR THE LATEST INFORMATION ON  
FEATURES OF INTEREST.  
 
FOR THE MOST PART, AN OPERATIONAL MODEL BLEND FAVORING THE GFS AND  
ECMWF SUFFICED FOR THE EARLY PART OF THE FORECAST. THE CMC WAS  
USED MINIMALLY AND ONLY EARLY ON AS IT DIVERGED WITH THE NORTH-  
CENTRAL U.S. SHORTWAVE. BY MID-PERIOD, INCLUDED SOME OF THE GEFS  
AND EC ENSEMBLE MEANS, AND BY DAY 7 INCREASED THE PROPORTION OF THE  
MEANS TO OVER HALF CONSIDERING THE INDIVIDUAL MODEL DIFFERENCES  
ESPECIALLY WITH THE EASTERN TROUGHING/LOW PRESSURE.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
 
VERY LITTLE HAS CHANGED OVER THE PAST DAY IN TERMS OF THE LOW  
CONFIDENCE FOR WHERE AREAS OF HEAVY RAIN COULD EXTEND INTO SOME  
COASTAL/INLAND AREAS NEAR THE GULF COAST DURING THE PERIOD. FOR THE  
FRIDAY-SATURDAY TIME FRAME COVERED BY THE DAYS 4-5 EXCESSIVE  
RAINFALL OUTLOOKS, THERE ARE MINORITY MODEL SOLUTIONS  
SHOWING POCKETS OF ENHANCED RAINFALL ALONG PARTS OF THE  
CENTRAL/EAST-CENTRAL GULF COAST AND/OR THE TEXAS COAST. HOWEVER  
WHILE SEPARATE ENSEMBLE SYSTEMS DIFFER OVER WHERE THE BEST HEAVY  
RAIN POTENTIAL WILL BE OVER THE GULF, THEY DO NOT EXTEND THEIR  
BETTER PROBABILITIES TO LAND. THE COMBINATION OF POOR GUIDANCE  
CLUSTERING/CONTINUITY AND HIGH FLASH FLOOD GUIDANCE VALUES ALONG  
THE GULF COAST REGION CONTINUE TO FAVOR NOT DEPICTING ANY RISK  
AREAS ON THE DAYS 4-5 EROS. RECENT GUIDANCE HAS BEEN SUGGESTING  
THAT SOME HEAVY RAIN MAY EVENTUALLY SPREAD ACROSS FLORIDA BY EARLY  
NEXT WEEK, PERHAPS AIDED BY A FRONT APPROACHING FROM THE NORTH.  
 
FROM FRIDAY THROUGH THE WEEKEND, EXPECT LIGHTER RAINFALL ALONG  
PORTIONS OF THE FRONTS SUPPORTED BY NORTHERN STREAM DYNAMICS. ONE  
FRONT MAY PRODUCE AREAS OF LIGHT RAIN OVER THE NORTHEAST LATE THIS  
WEEK WHILE A FRONT REACHING THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST AROUND FRIDAY  
MAY PRODUCE SOME LIGHT RAIN AS WELL. A FRONTAL SYSTEM AND POSSIBLE  
DEVELOPING EMBEDDED LOW MAY PRODUCE MORE ORGANIZED RAINFALL FROM  
THE GREAT LAKES REGION TO THE EAST COAST BY NEXT MONDAY-TUESDAY.  
COVERAGE AND MAGNITUDE WILL DEPEND ON SYSTEM SPECIFICS THAT HAVE  
LOWER CONFIDENCE AT THIS TIME. AN APPROACHING PACIFIC FRONT MAY  
BRING LIGHT RAIN TO THE NORTHERN PACIFIC NORTHWEST EARLY NEXT WEEK.  
 
THE STRONG AND PERSISTENT UPPER RIDGE COVERING THE WEST AND  
EXTENDING INTO THE PLAINS WILL SUPPORT A LENGTHY PERIOD OF WELL  
ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES OVER MANY PARTS OF THE WESTERN/CENTRAL  
U.S. HIGHS 10-20F OR SO ABOVE NORMAL WILL BE COMMON AND NUMEROUS  
DAILY RECORDS APPEAR LIKELY FROM THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE WEST  
INTO PARTS OF THE HIGH PLAINS, ESPECIALLY FRIDAY-SUNDAY. EASTERN  
U.S. TEMPERATURES WILL VARY IN THE NEAR TO ABOVE NORMAL RANGE UNTIL  
THE EAST COAST TROUGH DROPS SOME HIGHS MODERATELY BELOW NORMAL NEXT  
TUESDAY.  
 
TATE/RAUSCH  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC MEDIUM  
RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST (QPF), EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK (ERO), WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK (WWO) PROBABILITIES, HEAT  
INDICES, AND KEY MESSAGES CAN BE ACCESSED FROM:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 
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