358  
FXUS02 KWBC 020658  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
258 AM EDT WED OCT 2 2024  
 
VALID 12Z SAT OCT 05 2024 - 12Z WED OCT 09 2024  
 
...ANOMALOUS HEAT WILL PERSIST ACROSS THE SOUTHWEST INTO THE  
WEEKEND...  
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO SHOW THE EXPECTED PATTERN TRANSITION FROM  
PROGRESSIVE NORTHERN TIER FLOW EXTENDING INTO THE WEEKEND TOWARD  
AN AMPLIFYING EASTERN U.S./ATLANTIC COAST TROUGH EARLY NEXT WEEK  
(WITH POSSIBLE NEW ENGLAND OR VICINITY UPPER LOW) WHILE A MEAN  
RIDGE COVERING MUCH OF THE WEST EXTENDS INTO THE PLAINS, PRODUCING  
AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF UNSEASONABLY WARM TO HOT WEATHER. AHEAD OF  
THE DYNAMICS THAT WILL ULTIMATELY ESTABLISH THE EASTERN UPPER  
TROUGH, A FRONT CROSSING THE GREAT LAKES AND NORTHEAST SHOULD  
PRODUCE SOME ORGANIZED RAIN AND POSSIBLE SURFACE LOW DEVELOPMENT  
COULD ENHANCE AMOUNTS FOR PARTS OF NEW ENGLAND. MEANWHILE, DETAILS  
REMAIN UNCERTAIN WITHIN THE GENERAL GULF OF MEXICO EVOLUTION  
FAVORING LOW PRESSURE AND HEAVY RAINFALL POTENTIAL. MOST GUIDANCE  
SUGGESTS HEAVIEST RAINFALL WILL INITIALLY STAY OVER THE GULF BUT  
THEN EVENTUALLY SOME OF IT MAY SPREAD EASTWARD INTO FLORIDA. THERE  
MAY BE MULTIPLE SURFACE FEATURES TO FOCUS RAINFALL, INCLUDING ONE  
LIFTING FROM THE NORTHWESTERN CARIBBEAN INTO THE GULF AND ANOTHER  
THAT MAY START OUT OVER THE WESTERN GULF, WITH SOME POTENTIAL FOR  
THESE TO COMBINE BY THE FIRST HALF OF NEXT WEEK.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
ASIDE FROM TYPICAL SMALLER-SCALE DETAILS, THE PRIMARY QUESTION MARK  
WITH THE NORTHERN STREAM FLOW IS HOW UPPER TROUGHING WILL EVOLVE  
ONCE IT REACHES EASTERN NORTH AMERICA DURING THE EARLY TO MIDDLE  
PART OF NEXT WEEK. ALTHOUGH NOT UNANIMOUS, THERE HAS BEEN A  
MAJORITY CLUSTER SUGGESTING THAT AN UPPER LOW WILL CLOSE OFF  
SOMEWHERE OVER EASTERN CANADA OR NEW ENGLAND. THIS IS CERTAINLY  
PLAUSIBLE WITH THE OVERALL PATTERN LOOKING MORE BLOCKY AS AN UPPER  
RIDGE STRENGTHENS OVER/NEAR GREENLAND. CMC RUNS HAVE BEEN LEANING  
TO THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE SPREAD FOR THE OVERALL TROUGH/UPPER LOW,  
WHILE OTHER MODEL RUNS HAVE BEEN VARYING FOR SHORTWAVE DETAILS THAT  
DETERMINE THE TIMING AND PATH OF THE UPPER LOW. MACHINE LEARNING  
(ML) MODELS LIKEWISE SHOW SUCH SPREAD AND WITH A TILT TOWARD A NEW  
ENGLAND/CANADIAN MARITIMES UPPER LOW ON AVERAGE.  
 
THE FORECAST OVER AND NEAR THE GULF OF MEXICO CONTINUES TO HAVE  
LOW PREDICTABILITY DUE TO A COMBINATION OF SMALLER-SCALE FEATURES.  
ONE WAVE MAY TRACK INTO THE CENTRAL/EAST-CENTRAL GULF FROM THE  
NORTHWESTERN CARIBBEAN WHILE ANOTHER FEATURE MAY EVOLVE OVER THE  
WESTERN GULF, WITH THE SURFACE/QPF DETAILS ALSO POTENTIALLY  
AFFECTED BY ENERGY ALOFT NEAR THE WESTERN GULF COAST. PER  
YESTERDAY'S COORDINATION WITH NHC, THESE FEATURES MAY PHASE AT  
SOME POINT NEXT WEEK AS THEY APPROACH AND INTERACT. GUIDANCE SHOWS  
THE SYSTEM(S) COULD LINGER AND MEANDER OVER THE GULF EVEN THROUGH  
THE FIRST HALF OF NEXT WEEK, THOUGH PERHAPS BEGINNING TO DRIFT  
EASTWARD WITH TIME AS GUIDANCE SHOWS SOME PROGRESSION OF A  
POSITIVELY TILTED UPPER TROUGH. THIS APPEARS TO BE A MESSY  
EVOLUTION AS FRONTS AND MOISTURE GRADIENTS ARE ALSO EVIDENT NEARBY.  
CONTINUE TO MONITOR OUTLOOKS FROM THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER  
FOR THE LATEST INFORMATION ON FEATURES OF INTEREST.  
 
THE UPDATED FORECAST STARTED WITH A 12Z/18Z OPERATIONAL MODEL  
COMPOSITE EARLY IN THE PERIOD AND THEN TRANSITIONED TOWARD A BLEND  
OF THE 18Z GFS/12Z ECMWF AND THEIR MEANS LATE, AS THE CMC  
INCREASINGLY STRAYED FROM THE MAJORITY CLUSTER OVER THE EAST.  
OPERATIONAL MODEL WEIGHT ALSO TILTED MORE TOWARD THE ECMWF BY THE  
END OF THE FORECAST DUE TO THE LOW-CONFIDENCE EASTERN GULF  
DEVELOPMENT TRACKING INTO FLORIDA IN THE 18Z GFS.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
 
THE RAINFALL FORECAST FOR AREAS ALONG THE GULF COAST DURING THE  
WEEKEND CONTINUES TO BE IN THE PROVERBIAL HOLDING PATTERN, WITH A  
RELATIVE MAJORITY OF GUIDANCE KEEPING MOST OF THE SIGNIFICANT  
TOTALS OVER THE GULF OF MEXICO, ESPECIALLY ON SATURDAY. THE  
GUIDANCE MESSAGES BECOME MORE MIXED BY SUNDAY. IN VARYING WAYS, THE  
GFS/UKMET/CMC AND MACHINE LEARNING GUIDANCE SHOW POTENTIAL FOR SOME  
HEAVY RAINFALL TO REACH WESTERN FLORIDA BUT OTHER MODELS AND  
ENSEMBLE PROBABILITIES SUGGEST THAT IT WILL TAKE ADDITIONAL TIME  
FOR THIS ACTIVITY TO REACH FLORIDA. AT THE VERY LEAST, REASONABLE  
CONSENSUS OF THE GFS/ECMWF AND THEIR MEANS WOULD HAVE MOISTURE  
ANOMALIES INCREASING OVER THE STATE AS AN EAST-WEST FRONT BECOMES  
ALIGNED ACROSS THE PENINSULA SO SOME INCREASE IN RAINFALL ON  
SUNDAY RELATIVE TO SATURDAY SEEMS REASONABLE. THE QUESTION IS TO  
WHAT DEGREE. THE DAYS 4-5 EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOKS FOR SATURDAY-  
SUNDAY MAINTAIN NO RISK AREAS FOR NOW, BUT WITH AN EYE TO PARTS OF  
THE FLORIDA GULF COAST REGION FOR POSSIBLE INTRODUCTION OF AN AREA  
ON DAY 5 IF THERE IS FURTHER CLUSTERING/CONTINUITY IN FUTURE  
CYCLES. THE PATTERN CONTINUES TO LOOK FAVORABLE FOR ENHANCED  
RAINFALL OVER FLORIDA DURING THE FIRST HALF OF NEXT WEEK WITH A  
GENERAL AREA OF LOW PRESSURE EXPECTED TO DRIFT INTO THE EASTERN  
GULF AND A POTENTIALLY WAVY FRONT STILL DRAPED ACROSS THE  
PENINSULA.  
 
ELSEWHERE, THE FRONTAL SYSTEM REACHING THE GREAT LAKES AND  
NORTHEAST BY SUNDAY-MONDAY AND POSSIBLE LOW DEVELOPMENT NEAR NEW  
ENGLAND AND THE CANADIAN MARITIMES THEREAFTER MAY GENERATE RAINFALL  
OF VARYING INTENSITY. THERE IS STILL A FAIRLY WIDE RANGE OF  
POSSIBLE QPF TOTALS FROM THE EASTERN GREAT LAKES INTO NEW ENGLAND  
DEPENDING ON EXACTLY HOW THIS SYSTEM EVOLVES. A MEAN FRONTAL ZONE  
WITH ONE OR MORE EMBEDDED WAVES SHOULD REACH NEAR THE NORTHERN  
PACIFIC NORTHWEST BY EARLY-MID WEEK, PRODUCING SOME PERIODS OF  
MOSTLY LIGHT RAIN.  
 
THE STRONG AND PERSISTENT UPPER RIDGE COVERING THE WEST AND  
EXTENDING INTO THE PLAINS WILL SUPPORT A LENGTHY PERIOD OF WELL  
ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES OVER MANY PARTS OF THE WESTERN/CENTRAL  
U.S. HIGHS 10-20F OR SO ABOVE NORMAL WILL BE COMMON AND NUMEROUS  
DAILY RECORDS APPEAR LIKELY FROM THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE WEST INTO  
PARTS OF THE HIGH PLAINS, ESPECIALLY DURING THE WEEKEND BUT ALSO  
LINGERING INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK TO SOME EXTENT. BEST POTENTIAL FOR  
SOME HIGHS 20-25F ABOVE NORMAL WILL BE OVER THE CENTRAL PLAINS AND  
MIDWEST ON SATURDAY AND NORTHERN PLAINS BY MIDWEEK. ABOVE NORMAL  
TEMPERATURES OVER MOST OF THE EAST DURING THE WEEKEND SHOULD  
DECLINE TO NEAR OR SOMEWHAT BELOW NORMAL AS UPPER TROUGHING SETS UP  
NEAR THE EAST COAST.  
 
RAUSCH  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC MEDIUM  
RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST (QPF), EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK (ERO), WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK (WWO) PROBABILITIES, HEAT  
INDICES, AND KEY MESSAGES CAN BE ACCESSED FROM:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 
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