503  
FXUS02 KWBC 030700  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
300 AM EDT THU OCT 3 2024  
 
VALID 12Z SUN OCT 06 2024 - 12Z THU OCT 10 2024  
 
...ANOMALOUS HEAT WILL PERSIST ACROSS THE SOUTHWEST INTO EARLY NEXT  
WEEK...  
 
...CHANCES FOR HEAVY RAINFALL ACROSS THE FLORIDA PENINSULA WILL  
INCREASE INTO NEXT WEEK...  
 
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
LATEST MODELS AND ENSEMBLES STILL SHOW THE UPPER PATTERN SETTLING  
INTO A SLOWER-EVOLVING PATTERN DOMINATED BY LARGE SCALE FEATURES.  
EXPECT AN UPPER RIDGE COVERING THE WESTERN-CENTRAL U.S. TO PRODUCE  
A BROAD AREA OF MUCH ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES OVER THAT PART OF  
THE COUNTRY WHILE A TROUGH SETTLING OVER THE EAST (ANCHORED BY AN  
UPPER LOW THAT MAY TRACK OVER OR NEAR NEW ENGLAND) WILL BRING A  
COOLER TREND. THE LEADING EDGE OF A PACIFIC TROUGH WILL PRODUCE  
GRADUAL HEIGHT FALLS OVER THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST AND BRING SOME  
PRECIPITATION TO THE NORTHERN PARTS OF THE REGION. AHEAD OF THE  
DYNAMICS THAT WILL ULTIMATELY ESTABLISH THE EASTERN UPPER TROUGH, A  
FRONT CROSSING THE GREAT LAKES AND NORTHEAST SHOULD PRODUCE SOME  
ORGANIZED RAIN. FARTHER SOUTH, EXPECT THE HEAVIEST RAINFALL OVER  
THE LOWER 48 TO BE OVER PARTS OF FLORIDA, DUE TO THE COMBINATION OF  
ABUNDANT MOISTURE PLUS A COMBINATION OF ONE OR MORE GULF OF MEXICO  
SURFACE FEATURES AND A FRONT DRAPED ACROSS THE PENINSULA.  
   
..GUIDANCE/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO SHOW TYPICAL DETAIL DIFFERENCES FOR THE  
EVOLUTION OF THE UPPER TROUGH SETTLING OVER THE EAST AND THE  
ANCHORING UPPER LOW. GENERAL TRENDS OF THE GFS/ECMWF AND THEIR  
MEANS OVER THE PAST COUPLE DAYS HAVE BEEN A LITTLE SLOWER WITH THE  
UPPER LOW, OFFERING SOME SUPPORT FOR IDEAS FROM RECENT CMC RUNS  
THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE SPREAD. HOWEVER BY THE  
END OF THE PERIOD THE FULL ARRAY OF DYNAMICAL AND MACHINE LEARNING  
(ML) GUIDANCE WOULD RECOMMEND A FARTHER EAST POSITION (OVER OR EAST  
OF NORTHERN MAINE) VERSUS THE CMC. THE 12Z UKMET HELD THE CORE OF  
THE UPPER TROUGH NORTHWEST OF CONSENSUS BY THE END OF ITS RUN BUT  
THE 00Z VERSION COMPARES BETTER TO CONSENSUS. AN AVERAGE OF THE  
GFS/ECMWF AND THEIR MEANS HAS GOOD SUPPORT FROM THE AVERAGE OF ML  
MODELS BY LATE IN THE PERIOD.  
 
SOME ASPECTS OF THE FORECAST OVER AND NEAR THE GULF OF MEXICO  
STILL HAVE LOW PREDICTABILITY DUE TO A COMBINATION OF SMALLER-  
SCALE FEATURES. ONE WAVE MAY TRACK INTO THE CENTRAL/EAST-CENTRAL  
GULF FROM THE NORTHWESTERN CARIBBEAN WHILE ANOTHER FEATURE MAY  
EVOLVE OVER THE WESTERN GULF, WITH THE SURFACE/QPF DETAILS ALSO  
POTENTIALLY AFFECTED BY MULTIPLE IMPULSES ALOFT. LATELY THERE HAS  
BEEN SOME IMPROVEMENT IN THE SIGNAL FOR THESE FEATURES TO PHASE  
EARLY NEXT WEEK AS THEY APPROACH AND INTERACT, WITH THIS  
POTENTIALLY MESSY EVOLUTION INVOLVING FRONTS AND MOISTURE  
GRADIENTS POSSIBLY YIELDING A MORE CONVENTIONAL WAVY FRONT THAT  
SAGS JUST SOUTH OF THE FLORIDA PENINSULA BY THE END OF THE PERIOD.  
CONTINUE TO MONITOR OUTLOOKS FROM THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER FOR  
THE LATEST INFORMATION ON FEATURES OF INTEREST OVER THE GULF.  
 
A BLEND OF MOST GUIDANCE LOOKS GOOD FOR THE HEIGHT FALLS REACHING  
THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST BY THE LATTER HALF OF THE PERIOD. THE ONE  
EXCEPTION WAS THE 12Z CMC WHICH BROUGHT A STRONGER SHORTWAVE INTO  
THE REGION. THE NEW 00Z CMC LOOKS BETTER IN THIS REGARD.  
 
BASED ON 12Z/18Z GUIDANCE, THE EARLY PART OF THE FORECAST STARTED  
WITH AN OPERATIONAL MODEL COMPOSITE. THE FORECAST PHASED OUT THE  
LAST PART OF THE UKMET MID-PERIOD AND THEN THE 12Z CMC, WHILE  
INCREASING 18Z GEFS/12Z ECENS WEIGHT. THIS YIELDED A HALF GFS/ECMWF  
AND HALF GEFS/ECENS MIX BY THE END OF THE PERIOD NEXT THURSDAY.  
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
 
THE MAJORITY OF THE LOWER 48 SHOULD SEE DRY WEATHER FOR MOST OR ALL  
OF THE SUNDAY-THURSDAY PERIOD, WITH MOST PRECIPITATION FOCUS  
AROUND THE CORNERS. BY FAR THE HEAVIEST RAINFALL POTENTIAL SHOULD  
BE OVER THE FLORIDA PENINSULA, WITH SLOW-MOVING LOW PRESSURE OVER  
THE GULF OF MEXICO ALONG WITH A WAVY FRONT DRAPED OVER THE STATE  
AND A BROAD AREA OF ANOMALOUS MOISTURE EXTENDING OVER/EAST OF THE  
GULF. THERE IS STILL A FAIR AMOUNT OF UNCERTAINTY FOR DETAILS  
THOUGH. DURING DAY 4 SUNDAY, MOST DYNAMICAL MODELS/ENSEMBLE  
PROBABILITIES KEEP THE HIGHEST RAIN RATES JUST OFFSHORE THE WESTERN  
PENINSULA BUT MACHINE LEARNING MODELS SHOW FASTER PROGRESSION OF  
GULF LOW PRESSURE AND LEADING ENHANCED RAINFALL. FOR NOW WILL  
MAINTAIN NO RISK AREA IN THE DAY 4 EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK UNTIL  
A DYNAMICAL MODEL TREND TOWARD THE ML MODELS BECOMES EVIDENT. ON  
MONDAY THERE IS BETTER CONSENSUS THAT ENHANCED MOISTURE AND  
POTENTIALLY HEAVY RAINFALL WILL EXTEND FARTHER EASTWARD ACROSS AT  
LEAST THE SOUTHERN HALF OF FLORIDA, MERITING THE INTRODUCTION OF A  
MARGINAL RISK AREA FOR THE DAY 5 ERO. SOUTHERN FLORIDA MAY CONTINUE  
TO SEE PERIODS OF SIGNIFICANT RAINFALL FOR ANOTHER DAY OR SO, WITH  
THE AXIS OF HIGHEST TOTALS SAGGING SOUTH WITH TIME ALONG WITH THE  
FOCUSING WAVY FRONT.  
 
ELSEWHERE, THE FRONTAL SYSTEM CROSSING THE EASTERN GREAT LAKES AND  
NORTHEAST SUNDAY-MONDAY MAY GENERATE RAINFALL OF VARYING  
INTENSITY. THIS REGION MAY THEN SEE SHOWERY CONDITIONS AT TIMES AS  
SHORTWAVE IMPULSES FLOW AROUND AN UPPER LOW EXPECTED TO TRACK OVER  
OR NEAR NORTHERN NEW ENGLAND AND THE CANADIAN MARITIMES. A MEAN  
FRONTAL ZONE WITH ONE OR MORE EMBEDDED WAVES SHOULD REACH NEAR THE  
NORTHERN PACIFIC NORTHWEST BY EARLY-MID WEEK, PRODUCING SOME  
PERIODS OF LIGHT TO LOCALLY MODERATE RAIN AND NONZERO CHANCES OF  
SNOW IN THE HIGHEST ELEVATIONS.  
 
THE STRONG AND PERSISTENT WESTERN-CENTRAL U.S. UPPER RIDGE WILL  
PROMOTE AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF WELL ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES OVER  
THAT PART OF THE COUNTRY. GRADUAL EASTWARD DRIFT OF THE RIDGE AXIS  
WILL SHIFT THE HIGHEST ANOMALIES FROM THE WEST ON SUNDAY, WITH  
SOME HIGHS AT LEAST 10-15F ABOVE NORMAL, MORE INTO THE PLAINS BY  
TUESDAY-THURSDAY WHEN SOME NORTHERN LOCATIONS COULD REACH 20-25F  
ABOVE NORMAL. EXPECT NUMEROUS DAILY RECORDS FOR WARM MINIMUM AND  
MAXIMUM TEMPERATURES, ESPECIALLY OVER THE SOUTHWEST THROUGH  
SUNDAY-MONDAY. HEIGHT FALLS SLOWLY PUSHING IN OVER THE WEST COAST  
WILL SUPPORT A TREND TOWARD NEAR NORMAL TEMPERATURES THERE BY  
WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY. MODERATELY ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES OVER  
MOST OF THE EAST AS OF SUNDAY SHOULD THEN DECLINE TO NEAR OR  
SOMEWHAT BELOW NORMAL AS UPPER TROUGHING SETS UP NEAR THE EAST  
COAST. THIS MAY LEAD TO FROST/FREEZE CONCERNS ACROSS PORTIONS OF  
THE UPPER GREAT LAKES REGION AND INTERIOR NORTHEAST, WITH THE  
TIMING AROUND THE MEDIAN TO A BIT LATE FOR THE FIRST FROST/FREEZE  
OF THE SEASON.  
 
RAUSCH  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC MEDIUM  
RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST (QPF), EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK (ERO), WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK (WWO) PROBABILITIES, HEAT  
INDICES, AND KEY MESSAGES CAN BE ACCESSED FROM:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 
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