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FXUS02 KWBC 151933  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
333 PM EDT TUE OCT 15 2024  
 
VALID 12Z FRI OCT 18 2024 - 12Z TUE OCT 22 2024  
 
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
DEEP UPPER TROUGHING WITH A DEVELOPING CLOSED LOW IN THE INTERIOR  
WEST WILL LEAD TO A COOL AND WET PATTERN THERE FROM LATE THIS WEEK  
INTO THE WEEKEND, INCLUDING HIGHER ELEVATION SNOW AND FROST/FREEZE  
CONCERNS IN SOME OF THE VALLEYS. HEAVY RAIN CHANCES COULD INCREASE  
IN THE SOUTHERN/CENTRAL PLAINS BY THE WEEKEND. UPPER RIDGING AHEAD  
OF THIS TROUGH/LOW WILL PROMOTE WARMER THAN AVERAGE TEMPERATURES  
IN THE NORTHERN/CENTRAL PLAINS TO MIDWEST. THE RIDGE SHOULD  
GRADUALLY WARM THE EAST AS WELL AND PROMOTE DRY CONDITIONS FOR THE  
MOST PART, EXCEPT FOR SOUTH FLORIDA. ADDITIONAL ROUNDS OF  
PRECIPITATION MAY COME INTO THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST LATE WEEK INTO  
THE WEEKEND.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
MOST GUIDANCE STILL AGREES WITH THE LARGE SCALE PATTERN. THIS  
EVOLUTION CONSISTS OF EVENTUAL EJECTION OF THE SOUTHWEST/FOUR  
CORNERS CLOSED LOW INTO THE PLAINS/MIDWEST AS THE LEADING EDGE OF  
AN ELONGATED MEAN TROUGH OVER THE NORTHEASTERN PACIFIC/WESTERN  
CANADA PUSHES SOUTHEASTWARD, WHILE WEAK SHORTWAVE ENERGY OVER THE  
SOUTHERN APPALACHIANS/SOUTHEAST MAY SEPARATE A COUPLE RIDGES THAT  
WILL COMPRISE A LARGER SCALE OVERALL MEAN RIDGE COVERING THE EAST.  
 
THE PRIMARY MODEL DISCREPANCIES INVOLVE THE EVENTUAL PROGRESSION OF  
THE UPPER LOW AND DETAILS OF INFLUENCING UPSTREAM SHORTWAVE ENERGY.  
MOST MACHINE LEARNING (ML) MODELS OFFER THE BEST SUPPORT FOR THE  
INTERMEDIATE TIMING OF RECENT ECMWF RUNS. LATEST GFS RUNS SHIFT THE  
UPPER LOW A LITTLE NORTH OF CONSENSUS BY AROUND SUNDAY OR SO AND  
THEN STRAY FASTER, THOUGH INCOMING NORTHERN TIER ENERGY ULTIMATELY  
YIELDS A MEAN TROUGH NOT TOO FAR OFF THE GUIDANCE AVERAGE FOR  
POSITION. BY DAY 7/TUESDAY THE GFS DETAILS ALOFT RESULT IN A  
DEEPER SOUTHERN CANADIAN SURFACE LOW COMPARED TO OTHER DYNAMICAL OR  
ML MODELS. IN CONTRAST, PER THE ML MODELS THE 00Z ECMWF COULD BE  
UNDERDONE WITH SURFACE LOW PRESSURE DUE TO SLOW TIMING OF UPSTREAM  
SHORTWAVE ENERGY. CMC RUNS REPRESENT THE SLOWER EXTREME FOR THE  
EJECTING UPPER LOW, THOUGH THE NEW 12Z VERSION HAS ADJUSTED CLOSER  
TO THE FAVORED INTERMEDIATE TIMING. ALSO OF NOTE BY THE END OF THE  
PERIOD, DYNAMICAL/ML GUIDANCE DEVELOPS SIGNIFICANT DIVERGENCE FOR  
HOW ENERGY WILL BE DISTRIBUTED WITHIN THE WESTERN CANADA INTO  
EASTERN PACIFIC MEAN TROUGH ALOFT. THIS SPREAD BEGINS TO INFLUENCE  
SENSIBLE WEATHER OVER THE NORTHWEST BY NEXT TUESDAY BUT HAS THE  
POTENTIAL TO PRODUCE MORE SIGNIFICANT SPREAD AND RUN-TO-RUN  
VARIABILITY OVER MORE OF THE LOWER 48 THEREAFTER.  
 
GUIDANCE COMPARISONS LED TO STARTING THE UPDATED FORECAST WITH A  
COMPOSITE OF 00Z/06Z OPERATIONAL MODELS, REPLACING THE GFS WITH THE  
GEFS MEAN AROUND MID-PERIOD AND THEN SPLITTING ECMWF INPUT BETWEEN  
THE 00Z/15 AND 12Z/14 RUNS. THE 00Z ECENS RUN WAS NOT AVAILABLE  
LOCALLY FOR BLENDING PURPOSES, SO THE LAST PART OF THE FORECAST  
CONSISTED OF THOSE ECMWF RUNS, THE 06Z GEFS MEAN, AND WPC  
CONTINUITY.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
 
THE UPPER LOW CLOSING OFF ACROSS THE SOUTHWEST LATE WEEK INTO THE  
WEEKEND WILL PUSH PRECIPITATION INTO THE FOUR CORNERS STATES,  
ROCKIES, AND HIGH PLAINS. EXPECT ENHANCED PRECIPITATION TOTALS IN  
TERRAIN WITH HIGHER ELEVATION SNOW, WHICH WILL BE THE FIRST SNOW  
OF THE SEASON IN SOME LOCATIONS GIVEN THE WARM FALL IN THE WEST  
THUS FAR. THE DAY 4/FRIDAY EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK HAS  
INTRODUCED A MARGINAL RISK AREA CENTERED OVER THE CENTRAL PORTION  
OF NORTHERN NEW MEXICO INTO FAR SOUTHWESTERN COLORADO IN LIGHT OF  
GUIDANCE SIGNALS FOR POTENTIALLY HIGH LOCALIZED RAIN RATES OVER  
TERRAIN THAT MAY BE MORE SENSITIVE AFTER RAINFALL DURING THE DAY 3  
PERIOD, WITH THE ECMWF ALSO INDICATING SOME POCKETS OF INSTABILITY.  
SOME PRECIPITATION COULD CONTINUE ACROSS THE CENTRAL/SOUTHERN  
ROCKIES INTO THE WEEKEND. BY LATER FRIDAY INTO THE WEEKEND, GULF  
MOISTURE MAY STREAM IN JUST AHEAD OF THE UPPER LOW FOR INCREASING  
RAIN CHANCES IN THE CENTRAL/SOUTHERN HIGH PLAINS. WHILE FORECAST  
DETAILS VARY, MODELS HAVE BEEN FAIRLY PERSISTENT IN SHOWING SOME  
MODERATE TO HEAVY RAIN POTENTIAL FOCUSED IN NORTHEASTERN NEW MEXICO  
AND NEARBY, WITH SOME MODEST INSTABILITY AND SLOW MOVEMENT OF THE  
UPPER LOW AROUND SATURDAY IN PARTICULAR. THUS THE DAY 5/SATURDAY  
ERO CONTINUES TO DEPICT A MARGINAL RISK IN THAT REGION AND HEAVY  
RAIN WOULD BE MOST CONCERNING ATOP SENSITIVE BURN SCAR AREAS.  
LATEST GUIDANCE STILL SUGGESTS THAT THE SOUTH- CENTRAL PLAINS WILL  
CONTINUE TO BE A FOCUS FOR ENHANCED PRECIPITATION ON SUNDAY BEFORE  
RAINFALL FINALLY MOVES EASTWARD MONDAY, THOUGH WITH DECREASING  
INTENSITY.  
 
MEANWHILE, THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST WILL LIKELY SEE MORE  
PRECIPITATION DURING THE PERIOD. INITIAL FOCUS FOR ENHANCED TOTALS  
WILL BE OVER THE OLYMPICS AND VICINITY FRIDAY INTO THE WEEKEND, ON  
THE SOUTHERN PERIPHERY OF A STRONG JET PUSHING INTO BRITISH  
COLUMBIA. WITH TIME, EXPECT UPSTREAM SHORTWAVE ENERGY TO EXPAND THE  
PRECIPITATION SHIELD SOUTHWARD AND EASTWARD BUT WITH GRADUALLY  
LESSER MAX AMOUNTS. UNCERTAINTY ABOUT SPECIFICS OF EASTERN  
PACIFIC/WEST COAST FLOW ALOFT DECREASES CONFIDENCE IN PRECIPITATION  
DETAILS OVER THE NORTHWEST BY NEXT TUESDAY.  
 
MEANWHILE, THE EASTERN U.S. IS FORECAST TO BE GENERALLY DRY LATE  
WEEK INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PARTS OF THE  
FLORIDA PENINSULA. THERE, RETURN FLOW OF MOISTURE NEAR A MEANDERING  
FRONT COULD INCREASE RAIN AND THUNDERSTORM CHANCES ESPECIALLY FOR  
SOUTH FLORIDA BY FRIDAY AND INTO THE WEEKEND. THERE COULD BE A  
NONZERO CHANCE FOR FLASH FLOODING WITH THIS ACTIVITY ESPECIALLY IF  
HEAVY RAIN RATES OCCUR IN THE SENSITIVE URBAN AREAS. HOWEVER, AS  
MODELS CONTINUE TO VARY WITH HOW MUCH RAIN MAY FALL ONSHORE VERSUS  
OFFSHORE, THE DAYS 4-5/FRIDAY-SATURDAY EROS CONTINUE TO DEPICT NO  
RISK AREAS. WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THIS REGION FOR ANY TRENDS IN  
MODEL CLUSTERING.  
 
AN UPPER RIDGE ALIGNED OVER THE EAST-CENTRAL U.S. FRIDAY WILL  
PROMOTE ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES IN ITS VICINITY. THE BIGGEST  
ANOMALIES OF PLUS 10-20 DEGREES ARE FORECAST ACROSS THE MIDWEST.  
MEANWHILE ANOTHER ROUND OF CHILLY MORNING LOWS MAY CAUSE  
FROST/FREEZE CONCERNS FOR THE INTERIOR NORTHEAST AND APPALACHIANS.  
NORTHEASTERN TEMPERATURES WILL REBOUND DURING THE WEEKEND WHEN  
UPPER RIDGING MOVES OVERHEAD, BRINGING ANOMALIES UP TO 5-10  
DEGREES ABOVE NORMAL. THEN THE RIDGE REBUILDING OVER THE CENTRAL  
INTO EASTERN U.S. EARLY NEXT WEEK WILL LEAD TO WARMER THAN AVERAGE  
TEMPERATURES IN THE NORTHERN PLAINS TO UPPER MIDWEST ONCE AGAIN,  
WITH EXPANDING COVERAGE OF PLUS 5-15 DEGREE ANOMALIES OVER THE  
EAST. ON THE OTHER HAND, THE UPPER TROUGH AND FRONTAL SURGES IN THE  
WEST WILL CAUSE BELOW NORMAL TEMPERATURES (BY UP TO 10-20 DEGREES  
FOR HIGHS) TO SPREAD ACROSS THE GREAT BASIN/INTERMOUNTAIN WEST AND  
SOUTHWEST ON FRIDAY WITH SLOW MODERATION INTO THE WEEKEND. THESE  
COLDER TEMPERATURES MAY ALSO LEAD TO ADDITIONAL FROST/FREEZE  
CONCERNS FOR ANY REMAINING SUSCEPTIBLE GROWING AREAS/VALLEY  
LOCATIONS.  
 
RAUSCH/TATE  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC MEDIUM  
RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST (QPF), EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK (ERO), WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK (WWO) PROBABILITIES, HEAT  
INDICES, AND KEY MESSAGES CAN BE ACCESSED FROM:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 
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