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FXUS02 KWBC 160657  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
257 AM EDT WED OCT 16 2024  
 
VALID 12Z SAT OCT 19 2024 - 12Z WED OCT 23 2024  
 
   
..OVERVIEW  
 
A CLOSED UPPER LOW NEAR THE FOUR CORNERS THIS WEEKEND WILL LEAD TO  
A COOL AND WET PATTERN THERE, INCLUDING HIGHER ELEVATION SNOW AND  
FROST/FREEZE CONCERNS IN SOME OF THE VALLEYS. HEAVY RAIN IS  
POSSIBLE JUST AHEAD OF THIS UPPER LOW IN THE SOUTH-CENTRAL HIGH  
PLAINS, PUSHING EASTWARD BUT LESSENING IN AMOUNTS WITH TIME.  
MEANWHILE AN ATMOSPHERIC RIVER COMING INTO THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST  
COULD LEAD TO LOCALLY HEAVY PRECIPITATION. AS THE FOUR CORNERS  
UPPER LOW TRACKS NORTHEAST NEXT WEEK, QUASI-ZONAL FLOW SHOULD SET  
UP OVER THE LOWER 48, SPREADING THE COVERAGE OF ABOVE NORMAL  
TEMPERATURES FROM THE NORTH-CENTRAL TO NORTHEASTERN TIER THIS  
WEEKEND FARTHER SOUTH ACROSS MUCH OF THE U.S. INTO NEXT WEEK.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT  
 
MOST GUIDANCE STILL AGREES WITH THE LARGE SCALE PATTERN THIS  
WEEKEND, AS AN UPPER LOW SLOWLY MOVES ACROSS THE FOUR CORNERS WITH  
RIDGING AHEAD OF IT. MORE UNCERTAIN SHORTWAVES OVER THE SOUTHEAST  
OR SO COULD AFFECT THE MEAN RIDGE PATTERN OVER THE EAST, BUT LOOK  
TO HAVE FAIRLY MINIMAL WEATHER IMPACT. FOR THE EARLY PART OF THE  
PERIOD, THE WPC FORECAST CONSISTED OF A MULTI-MODEL DETERMINISTIC  
BLEND OF THE 18Z GFS AND 12Z ECMWF/CMC/UKMET.  
 
MODEL SPREAD INCREASES SOMEWHAT AS THE UPPER LOW EJECTS NORTHEAST,  
WITH THE TRACK AND TIMING PARTLY DEPENDENT ON UPSTREAM SHORTWAVE  
ENERGY. GFS RUNS REMAIN THE FASTEST FOR THE FEATURE TO MOVE EAST  
AND GET ABSORBED INTO THE NORTHERN STREAM. THE ECMWF AND THE CMC  
ARE SLOWER, THOUGH MANY OF THE 12Z EC-BASED AI/ML MODELS ARE A BIT  
FASTER THAN THE OPERATIONAL EC. FOR THE NEWER 00Z CYCLE OF  
DETERMINISTIC RUNS, MOST MODELS TRENDED SLOWER BUT STILL HAVE THE  
GFS ON THE FASTER SIDE AND EC/CMC SLOWER. AN INTERMEDIATE SOLUTION  
STILL SEEMS LIKE THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION. THERE IS GOOD AGREEMENT  
FOR AN UPPER RIDGE TO SET UP IN THE SOUTHERN STREAM. UPSTREAM,  
MODELS VARY CONSIDERABLY WITH THE ENERGY DISTRIBUTION WITHIN A  
WESTERN CANADA TO EASTERN PACIFIC MEAN TROUGH ESPECIALLY INTO  
TUESDAY-WEDNESDAY. MODELS SHOW THE POTENTIAL FOR AN UPPER LOW TO  
PINCH OFF IN THE PACIFIC BUT WITH VARYING PLACEMENT. THIS SPREAD  
BEGINS TO INFLUENCE SENSIBLE WEATHER OVER THE NORTHWEST BY TUESDAY  
BUT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO PRODUCE MORE SIGNIFICANT SPREAD AND RUN-  
TO-RUN VARIABILITY OVER MORE OF THE LOWER 48 THEREAFTER. THUS FOR  
THE LATTER PART OF THE PERIOD, THE FORECAST USED THE 18Z GEFS/12Z  
EC ENSEMBLE MEANS IN THE BLEND AND INCREASED THEIR PROPORTION TO  
HALF BY THE END OF THE PERIOD AMID INCREASING SPREAD.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS  
 
 
THE CLOSED UPPER LOW OVER THE SOUTHWEST THIS WEEKEND WILL HELP  
FOCUS PRECIPITATION IN THE FOUR CORNERS STATES, ROCKIES, AND HIGH  
PLAINS. EXPECT ENHANCED PRECIPITATION TOTALS IN TERRAIN WITH HIGHER  
ELEVATION SNOW, WHICH WILL BE THE FIRST SNOW OF THE SEASON IN SOME  
LOCATIONS GIVEN THE WARM FALL IN THE WEST THUS FAR. THE CENTRAL  
ROCKIES/SAN JUANS CAN EXPECT NOTABLE SNOW SATURDAY WITH SOME  
PERHAPS LASTING INTO SUNDAY. FARTHER EAST INTO THE HIGH PLAINS,  
HEAVY RAIN WILL BE A CONCERN IN A MOIST ENVIRONMENT (PWS OVER THE  
90TH IF NOT 95TH PERCENTILE) WITH SOME INSTABILITY. A MARGINAL RISK  
IS MAINTAINED FOR DAY 4/SATURDAY FOR THE SOUTH-CENTRAL HIGH PLAINS  
ALSO CONSIDERING THE SLOW MOVEMENT OF THE UPPER LOW AND THUS THE  
RAIN AND THUNDERSTORMS. HEAVY RAIN WOULD BE MOST CONCERNING ATOP  
SENSITIVE BURN SCAR AREAS. INTO SUNDAY, THE UPPER LOW IS FORECAST  
TO MOVE SOMEWHAT MORE QUICKLY NORTHEASTWARD AND SPREAD MODERATE TO  
HEAVY RAIN WITH IT, LIKELY FOCUSED IN THE TEXAS/OKLAHOMA PANHANDLES  
INTO THE WESTERN HALF OF KANSAS. THIS RAIN GENERALLY LOOKS TO BE  
BENEFICIAL RATHER THAN CAUSE A NOTABLE FLOODING THREAT, AS  
SHOWERS/STORMS ARE FORECAST TO MOVE MORE QUICKLY, BUT RAIN RATES  
MAY BE HIGH ENOUGH FOR PERHAPS A NONZERO FLOOD RISK. SOME SHOWERS  
WILL SHIFT INTO THE CENTRAL PLAINS/MID-MISSISSIPPI VALLEY BY  
MONDAY, THOUGH WITH DECREASING INTENSITY.  
 
MEANWHILE, THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST WILL LIKELY SEE MORE  
PRECIPITATION OVER THE WEEKEND AS AN ATMOSPHERIC RIVER COINCIDES  
WITH THE SOUTHERN PERIPHERY OF A STRONG JET PUSHING INTO BRITISH  
COLUMBIA. SOME LOCALLY HEAVY RAIN (AND HIGHER ELEVATION SNOW) ARE  
POSSIBLE IN THE OLYMPICS/CASCADES SATURDAY, AREAS THAT ARE NOT  
TYPICALLY SENSITIVE TO FLOODING FROM THE EXPECTED 2-4 INCHES OF  
RAIN. WITH TIME, EXPECT UPSTREAM SHORTWAVE ENERGY TO EXPAND THE  
PRECIPITATION SHIELD SOUTHWARD AND EASTWARD BUT WITH GRADUALLY  
LESSER MAX AMOUNTS. UNCERTAINTY ABOUT SPECIFICS OF EASTERN  
PACIFIC/WEST COAST FLOW ALOFT DECREASES CONFIDENCE IN PRECIPITATION  
DETAILS OVER THE NORTHWEST BY TUESDAY-WEDNESDAY.  
 
THE EASTERN U.S. IS FORECAST TO BE GENERALLY DRY THIS WEEKEND INTO  
EARLY NEXT WEEK, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PARTS OF THE FLORIDA  
PENINSULA. THERE, RETURN FLOW OF MOISTURE NEAR A MEANDERING FRONT  
COULD INCREASE RAIN AND THUNDERSTORM CHANCES ESPECIALLY FOR SOUTH  
FLORIDA ON SATURDAY. RAIN AMOUNTS AND RAIN RATES DO NOT LOOK TO BE  
HEAVY ENOUGH TO CAUSE FLOODING CONCERNS AT THIS POINT, EVEN IN THE  
SENSITIVE URBAN CORRIDOR. EASTERLY FLOW COULD SPREAD SOME LIGHT  
SHOWERS ACROSS THE PENINSULA INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK.  
 
COOLER THAN AVERAGE TEMPERATURES WILL BE IN PLACE OVER THE FOUR  
CORNERS/GREAT BASIN THIS WEEKEND UNDERNEATH THE UPPER LOW. HIGHS  
AROUND 15-20 DEGREES BELOW NORMAL ARE LIKELY SATURDAY, WITH SOME  
GRADUAL MODERATION SUNDAY AND ESPECIALLY INTO THE WORKWEEK.  
MEANWHILE, UPPER RIDGING AHEAD OF THE UPPER LOW WILL HELP CAUSE  
ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES ACROSS THE NORTHERN PLAINS TO UPPER  
MIDWEST/GREAT LAKES AND NORTHEAST. THE MIDWEST CAN EXPECT THE  
GREATEST ANOMALIES OF 15-25 DEGREES ABOVE AVERAGE ON SUNDAY AS  
HIGHS REACH THE 70S. THE UPPER PATTERN IS FORECAST TO RELAX  
SOMEWHAT INTO NEXT WEEK FOR DEVELOPING QUASI-ZONAL FLOW, THOUGH A  
SUBTROPICAL UPPER HIGH ACROSS THE GULF/NORTHERN MEXICO/TEXAS WILL  
ALLOW FOR WARMER TEMPERATURES TO EXPAND SOUTHWARD THROUGH MUCH OF  
THE LOWER 48 INTO TUESDAY-WEDNESDAY, THOUGH COOLING ACROSS THE  
NORTHERN TIER BEHIND A COLD FRONT.  
 
TATE  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC MEDIUM  
RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST (QPF), EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK (ERO), WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK (WWO) PROBABILITIES, HEAT  
INDICES, AND KEY MESSAGES CAN BE ACCESSED FROM:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 
 
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