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FXUS02 KWBC 170659  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
259 AM EDT THU OCT 17 2024  
 
VALID 12Z SUN OCT 20 2024 - 12Z THU OCT 24 2024  
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
A CLOSED UPPER LOW ATOP THE FOUR CORNERS INTO SUNDAY COULD LEAD TO  
LINGERING SNOW IN THE SOUTH-CENTRAL ROCKIES AND COOL TEMPERATURES,  
WHILE MODERATE TO LOCALLY HEAVY RAIN WITH SOME ISOLATED FLOODING  
CONCERNS SPREADS INTO THE SOUTH-CENTRAL PLAINS. THE UPPER LOW IS  
FORECAST TO TRACK NORTHEAST AND WEAKEN AS THE WEEK PROGRESSES WITH  
SOME LIGHTER RAIN. MEANWHILE, PRECIPITATION IS LIKELY IN THE  
PACIFIC NORTHWEST EARLY NEXT WEEK WITH THE TAIL END OF AN  
ATMOSPHERIC RIVER. BY MIDWEEK AND BEYOND, BROADLY CYCLONIC FLOW  
SHOULD SET UP ATOP THE EASTERN TWO-THIRDS OF THE CONUS WHILE UPPER  
RIDGING MAY FORM OVER THE WEST IN RESPONSE TO AMPLE ENERGY ACROSS  
THE EASTERN PACIFIC. ADDITIONALLY, RIDGING RETROGRADING FROM THE  
GULF OF MEXICO THROUGH SOUTHERN TEXAS AND MEXICO WILL SPREAD WARMER  
THAN AVERAGE TEMPERATURES TO THE SOUTHERN STATES, WHILE COLD  
FRONTS GRADUALLY COOL THE NORTHERN TIER AFTER A WARM EARLY WEEK  
PERIOD THERE.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
RECENT GUIDANCE IS GENERALLY AGREEABLE WITH THE PATTERN DESCRIBED  
ABOVE. THERE ARE SOME MINOR TIMING DIFFERENCES WITH THE EJECTION OF  
THE FOUR CORNERS UPPER LOW. THE 00Z CMC SEEMS TO BE A SLOW/FARTHER  
WEST OUTLIER WITH THE UPPER LOW EVEN AS THE PERIOD BEGINS SUNDAY  
AND MAINTAINS A SLIGHTLY SLOWER FEATURE WHILE RECENT GFS/EC RUNS  
ARE MORE AGREEABLE, ALONG WITH THE AI MODELS. BY AROUND TUESDAY THE  
UPPER LOW'S TIMING MAY ALSO DEPEND ON THE ARRIVAL OF NORTHERN  
STREAM ENERGY PUSHING INTO THE NORTH-CENTRAL U.S., BUT THIS IS  
SHOWING BETTER CONSENSUS IN RECENT GUIDANCE.  
 
FARTHER WEST, A SOUTHWEST TO NORTHEAST ORIENTED MEAN TROUGH  
STRETCHING FROM SOUTHWESTERN CANADA INTO THE PACIFIC EARLY NEXT  
WEEK SHOWS SOME SPREAD WITH ITS EVOLUTION, DEPENDENT IN PART ON  
ENERGY DISTRIBUTION WITHIN THE TROUGH AND ADDITIONAL SHORTWAVES  
DIVING IN. MODEL GUIDANCE FROM THE LAST FEW CYCLES HAS INDICATED  
THAT AN UPPER LOW IS LIKELY TO CLOSE OFF WELL OFFSHORE, PERHAPS  
BETWEEN 140W AND 150W LONGITUDE, BUT CREEPING EASTWARD BY  
WEDNESDAY-THURSDAY. THIS LEADS TO THE POSSIBILITY FOR MEAN RIDGING  
TO SET UP OVER THE WEST COAST TO ITS EAST, AND PROMOTING BROAD  
CYCLONIC FLOW TO THE EAST OF THAT RIDGE OVER GENERALLY THE REST OF  
THE LOWER 48. THERE ARE UNCERTAINTIES WITH POSSIBLE SHORTWAVE  
ENERGY NEAR THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST AROUND WEDNESDAY LINGERING AFTER  
THAT UPPER LOW FARTHER WEST PINCHES OFF. MANY DETERMINISTIC AND AI  
MODELS SHOW INDICATIONS OF THIS FEATURE, BUT BOTH THE 12Z AND NEWER  
00Z ECMWF ARE AMONG THE MOST AGGRESSIVE WITH IT. REGARDLESS OF HOW  
AGREEABLE THE MAJORITY CLUSTER MAY BE AT THE MOMENT, THESE FLOW  
SEPARATION CASES CAN STILL PRODUCE SIGNIFICANT VARIABILITY DURING  
THE EXTENDED RANGE.  
 
THE WPC FORECAST WAS BASED ON A BLEND OF THE DETERMINISTIC 18Z GFS  
AND 12Z EC/UKMET/CMC EARLY IN THE PERIOD, WITH DECREASING  
PROPORTIONS OF THE DETERMINISTIC MODELS AS THE PERIOD PROGRESSED IN  
FAVOR OF THE PRETTY AGREEABLE GEFS AND EC ENSEMBLE MEANS.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
 
THE FOUR CORNERS UPPER LOW WILL PROVIDE FORCING FOR PRECIPITATION  
ACROSS SOUTH-CENTRAL PARTS OF THE ROCKIES AND PLAINS INTO SUNDAY.  
SNOW COULD LINGER IN THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS OF COLORADO IN  
PARTICULAR, THOUGH LIKELY DECREASING IN MAGNITUDE COMPARED TO LATE  
THIS WEEK. AHEAD OF THE UPPER LOW, MOISTURE STREAMING IN FROM THE  
PACIFIC AND THE GULF WILL PROVIDE AN ENVIRONMENT WITH PWS ABOVE THE  
90TH IF NOT 95TH PERCENTILE FOR POTENTIALLY HEAVY RAIN AND STORMS  
ACROSS THE SOUTH-CENTRAL PLAINS. A MARGINAL RISK REMAINS IN PLACE  
CENTERED OVER THE TEXAS AND OKLAHOMA PANHANDLES INTO THE WESTERN  
HALF OF KANSAS, AS HEAVY RAIN MAY CAUSE ISOLATED FLOODING THREATS  
ESPECIALLY IF AREAS OF HIGH RAIN RATES TRAIN IN THE SAME LOCATIONS.  
SOME SHOWERS WILL SHIFT INTO THE CENTRAL PLAINS/MID-MISSISSIPPI  
VALLEY BY MONDAY AND PERHAPS THE OHIO VALLEY TUESDAY, THOUGH WITH  
DECREASING INTENSITY.  
 
MEANWHILE, THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST WILL LIKELY SEE PRECIPITATION ON  
SUNDAY AS AN ATMOSPHERIC RIVER CONTINUES TO SPREAD MOISTURE INTO  
THE REGION, WITH MODEST RAIN AND SNOW AMOUNTS. SOME PRECIPITATION  
MAY LINGER INTO MONDAY AND SPREAD FARTHER INLAND BUT WITH LESSER  
AMOUNTS. GUSTY WINDS ARE POSSIBLE IN THE ROCKIES AS FRONTS PUSH  
THROUGH. THERE IS STILL UNCERTAINTY ABOUT SPECIFICS OF EASTERN  
PACIFIC/WEST COAST FLOW ALOFT BY TUESDAY-THURSDAY, BUT MOST  
GUIDANCE CURRENTLY SUGGESTS THAT THE NORTHWEST WILL SEE A DRIER  
TREND BY THEN WITH UPPER RIDGING SETTING UP.  
 
THE EASTERN U.S. IS FORECAST TO BE GENERALLY DRY THROUGH MUCH OF  
THE PERIOD. EASTERLY FLOW ACROSS THE FLORIDA PENINSULA COULD BRING  
SOME LIGHT SHOWERS ONSHORE. BY TUESDAY-WEDNESDAY, LIGHT RAIN MAY  
PUSH ACROSS THE NORTH-CENTRAL TO NORTHEASTERN U.S. WITH A FRONT.  
 
COOLER THAN AVERAGE TEMPERATURES BY 5-15 DEGREES ARE FORECAST TO  
CONTINUE INTO SUNDAY IN THE FOUR CORNERS STATES UNDERNEATH THE  
UPPER LOW, BUT GRADUALLY WARM AFTER THAT. MEANWHILE, UPPER RIDGING  
AHEAD OF THE UPPER LOW WILL PROMOTE ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES  
ACROSS THE NORTHERN PLAINS TO UPPER MIDWEST/GREAT LAKES AND  
NORTHEAST. THE MIDWEST CAN EXPECT THE GREATEST ANOMALIES OF 15-25  
DEGREES ABOVE AVERAGE ON SUNDAY AND MONDAY AS HIGHS REACH THE 70S.  
FORECAST TRANSITION OF THE UPPER PATTERN TOWARD BROADLY CYCLONIC OR  
NEARLY ZONAL MEAN FLOW ALONG WITH A SURFACE COLD FRONT WOULD  
MODERATE TEMPERATURES OVER THE NORTHERN PLAINS AND VICINITY BY  
MIDWEEK AND INTO THE GREAT LAKES REGION BY NEXT THURSDAY, WHILE A  
SUBTROPICAL UPPER HIGH ACROSS THE GULF/NORTHERN MEXICO/TEXAS WILL  
ALLOW FOR WARMER TEMPERATURES TO EXPAND ACROSS THE THE SOUTHERN  
PLAINS INTO SOUTHEAST.  
 
TATE  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC MEDIUM  
RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST (QPF), EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK (ERO), WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK (WWO) PROBABILITIES, HEAT  
INDICES, AND KEY MESSAGES CAN BE ACCESSED FROM:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 
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