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FXUS02 KWBC 181858  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
258 PM EDT FRI OCT 18 2024  
 
VALID 12Z MON OCT 21 2024 - 12Z FRI OCT 25 2024  
   
..OVERVIEW  
 
A CLOSED UPPER LOW TRACKING ACROSS THE GREAT PLAINS WILL PRODUCE  
SOME SCATTERED SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY ACROSS THE REGION  
ON MONDAY, BEFORE OPENING UP AND PHASING WITH A NORTHERN STREAM  
TROUGH THAT WILL AMPLIFY AND SHARPEN OVER THE EAST BY MIDWEEK. THIS  
LATTER TROUGH WILL PUSH A COLD FRONT THROUGH THE EASTERN HALF OF  
THE COUNTRY WITH MOST ASSOCIATED RAINFALL LIKELY TO BE OVER THE  
GREAT LAKES/NORTHEAST. A TRAILING UPPER RIDGE WILL PREVAIL ACROSS  
THE WESTERN AND EVENTUALLY CENTRAL CONUS THROUGH NEXT WEEK. AN  
ELONGATED TROUGH EXTENDING INTO THE PACIFIC INTO THE START OF NEXT  
WEEK WILL CONTRIBUTE TO A WEAKENING ATMOSPHERIC RIVER EVENT ACROSS  
THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST NEXT MONDAY, FOLLOWED BY AN UPPER LOW CLOSING  
OFF OVER THE EASTERN PACIFIC. PROGRESSION OF THIS SYSTEM SHOULD  
RENEW POTENTIAL FOR RAINFALL AND PERHAPS HIGH ELEVATION SNOW OVER  
THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST TOWARD THE END OF NEXT WEEK. AN ANOMALOUSLY  
WARM AIRMASS OVER THE NORTHERN TIER WILL SHIFT INTO THE NORTHEAST  
THROUGH MIDWEEK.  
   
..GUIDANCE/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT  
 
WITH GUIDANCE FINALLY COMING INTO GOOD ALIGNMENT FOR THE UPPER  
SYSTEM TRACKING THROUGH THE PLAINS/MIDWEST EARLY IN THE WEEK, THE  
PRIMARY FOCUS OF THE FORECAST WILL BE ON THE SPLITTING OF INITIAL  
WESTERN CANADA INTO EASTERN PACIFIC TROUGHING AND THEN TRACKING THE  
EVOLUTION OF SEPARATE RESULTING FEATURES--IN PARTICULAR A MEAN  
TROUGH REACHING INTO EASTERN NORTH AMERICA AND AN UPPER LOW THAT  
CLOSES OFF OVER THE EASTERN PACIFIC. BETWEEN THESE, UPPER RIDGING  
THAT BUILDS OVER THE WEST SHOULD APPROACH OR REACH THE CENTRAL  
U.S. BY LATE WEEK.  
 
MODELS/ENSEMBLES ARE STILL AT LEAST MORE SIMILAR IN PRINCIPLE THAN  
THEY CAN BE SOMETIMES IN SUCH FLOW SEPARATION SCENARIOS, THOUGH  
MEANINGFUL DIFFERENCES/TRENDS REMAIN. NORTHERN STREAM UPPER TROUGH  
ENERGY PROGRESSING THROUGH CENTRAL/EASTERN NORTH AMERICA HAS  
EXHIBITED BETTER CLUSTERING IN LATEST RUNS WITH A TREND TOWARD A  
SHARPER AND MORE NEUTRALLY TILTED FEATURE BY THE TIME IT REACHES  
THE GREAT LAKES AND NEW ENGLAND, LEADING TO A MORE PRONOUNCED  
SURFACE FRONT. MEANWHILE, DIFFERENCES STILL EXIST FOR THE  
STRENGTH/LOCATION OF WESTERN U.S. UPPER RIDGING AND IN TURN FOR THE  
TIMING OF THE EASTERN PACIFIC UPPER LOW/ASSOCIATED SURFACE SYSTEM.  
UPSTREAM FLOW DIVING SOUTHEAST FROM THE ALEUTIANS/BERING SEA MAY  
BEGIN TO HAVE SOME INFLUENCE ON THIS SYSTEM BY THE END OF THE WEEK  
AS WELL. LATEST MACHINE LEARNING (ML) MODELS HAVE TRENDED TOWARD  
THE UPPER RIDGE BEING MORE OVER THE INTERIOR WEST/WEST BY MIDWEEK  
OR SO VERSUS BEING FARTHER WESTWARD 24-36 HOURS AGO, WHILE  
REMAINING GUIDANCE LEANS AWAY FROM THE STRONGER SIDE FOR RESIDUAL  
SHORTWAVE ENERGY THAT COULD BE OVER THE NORTHWEST FOR A TIME (PER  
UKMET RUNS AND THE 00Z ECMWF).  
 
RELATIVE TO 6-7 DAY FORECASTS, SPREAD FOR EASTERN PACIFIC SYSTEM  
TIMING LATE NEXT WEEK LOOKS FAIRLY TYPICAL. HOWEVER THE 12Z  
ECMWF/ICON HAVE TRENDED TO THE SLOW SIDE OF THE SPREAD WHILE THE  
12Z CMC IS ON THE FASTER SIDE AND 06Z/12Z GFS RUNS HAVE ADJUSTED TO  
AN INTERMEDIATE TIMING AFTER BEING SOMEWHAT FASTER IN THE 00Z RUN.  
AS FOR SURFACE LOW TRACK, THE AVERAGE OF ML MODELS WOULD SUGGEST A  
PATH TOWARD VANCOUVER ISLAND, VERSUS 06Z/12Z GFS RUNS THAT ARE  
SOUTH OR THE 00Z ECMWF THAT IS DEEP AND FARTHER NORTHWEST. LATEST  
GEFS MEAN RUNS HAVE BEEN SUSPICIOUSLY WEAK AND THUS COULD NOT BE  
USED IN THE FORECAST.  
 
THE UPDATED FORECAST STARTED WITH A BLEND OF THE 06Z GFS, 00Z AND  
12Z/17 ECMWF RUNS, AND SOME 00Z CMC/UKMET FOR THE FIRST HALF OF THE  
PERIOD AND THEN ADDED ONLY SLIGHT WEIGHT OF THE 00Z ECENS/CMCENS  
MEANS LATE IN THE PERIOD (REPLACING THE UKMET AND A FRACTION OF THE  
GFS). THIS BLEND WAS STILL CLOSE TO THE MEANS IN PRINCIPLE OVER  
THE EAST WHILE MAINTAINING REASONABLE DEFINITION WITH A FAVORED  
TRACK FOR THE SYSTEM EXPECTED TO AFFECT THE NORTHWEST BY NEXT  
FRIDAY.  
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS  
 
 
THIS WEEKEND'S FOUR CORNERS UPPER LOW WILL SHIFT INTO THE CENTRAL  
PLAINS BY MONDAY, MARKING THE END OF AN ACTIVE PERIOD ACROSS THE  
FOUR CORNERS/HIGH PLAINS. SOME LINGERING SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS  
WILL IMPACT PARTS OF THE CENTRAL/SOUTHERN PLAINS AND TO A LESSER  
DEGREE MIDDLE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY ON MONDAY. THE UPPER LOW WILL  
TRACK FAR ENOUGH NORTH THAT IT WILL AVOID TAPPING MOISTURE FROM  
THE GULF OF MEXICO, WHICH WILL KEEP RAINFALL TOTALS IN THE LIGHT TO  
MODERATE RANGE. ANY RAIN THAT DOES FALL WILL BE BENEFICIAL GIVEN  
THE DRY GROUND CONDITIONS ACROSS MUCH OF THE CENTRAL U.S. THEN A  
NORTHERN STREAM COLD FRONT MAY PRODUCE SOME LIGHT RAIN ACROSS THE  
NORTHERN TIER, POSSIBLY BECOMING BETTER ORGANIZED OVER THE GREAT  
LAKES AND NORTHEAST WEDNESDAY-THURSDAY AS SUPPORTING UPPER  
DYNAMICS SHARPEN. HIGHEST ELEVATIONS IN NEW ENGLAND COULD SEE A  
LITTLE SNOW BEHIND THE FRONT BEFORE ANY REMAINING MOISTURE DEPARTS.  
 
THE ONE OTHER PRECIPITATION FOCUS WILL BE OVER THE NORTHWEST.  
LEADING SHORTWAVE ENERGY AND ASSOCIATED SURFACE FRONT WILL PRODUCE  
SOME RAIN AND HIGH ELEVATION SNOW FROM THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST INTO  
FAR NORTHERN ROCKIES ON MONDAY. THEN THE APPROACH/ARRIVAL OF AN  
EASTERN PACIFIC SYSTEM MAY BRING ANOTHER PLUME OF MOISTURE INTO THE  
PACIFIC NORTHWEST/NORTHERN CALIFORNIA BY AROUND NEXT FRIDAY. THERE  
IS STILL SIGNIFICANT SPREAD FOR THE TIMING, TRACK, AND STRENGTH OF  
THIS SYSTEM SO IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME TO RESOLVE MORE PRECISE  
DETAILS OF WHEN THE PRECIPITATION ARRIVES AND ITS INTENSITY. EXPECT  
MOST OF THIS ACTIVITY TO BE RAIN, WITH A LITTLE SNOW POTENTIAL IN  
THE HIGHEST ELEVATIONS OF THE NORTHERN CASCADES.  
 
DURING EARLY-MID WEEK, THE WARM SECTOR AHEAD OF AN ADVANCING COLD  
FRONT WILL FEATURE WELL ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES OVER THE  
CENTRAL/EASTERN U.S. THE GREATEST ANOMALIES SHOULD BE IN THE PLUS  
20-25F RANGE OVER THE NORTHERN PLAINS/UPPER MIDWEST ON MONDAY BUT  
THERE WILL ALSO BE BROAD COVERAGE OF PLUS 10-20F ANOMALIES FARTHER  
SOUTH THROUGH THE PLAINS AND ALSO EXTENDING AS FAR AS THE  
NORTHEAST. TEMPERATURES COULD CHALLENGE DAILY RECORDS OVER PARTS OF  
TEXAS ON WEDNESDAY. NEAR TO SLIGHTLY BELOW NORMAL READINGS WILL  
PROGRESS FROM THE NORTHERN HALF OF THE PLAINS INTO THE EAST MID-  
LATE WEEK WHILE TEMPERATURES REBOUND FROM THE INTERIOR WEST THROUGH  
THE PLAINS, WITH HIGH PLAINS LOCATIONS LIKELY SEEING THE WARMEST  
ANOMALIES (UP TO PLUS 15-20F) BY NEXT FRIDAY. THE FAR SOUTHERN TIER  
SHOULD STAY ABOVE NORMAL THROUGH FRIDAY. THE WEST COAST STATES WILL  
TEND TO BE NEAR/ABOVE NORMAL TUESDAY-THURSDAY, SANDWICHED BY  
SLIGHTLY COOLER HIGHS EARLY AND LATE IN THE WEEK.  
 
RAUSCH/KEBEDE  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC MEDIUM  
RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST (QPF), EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK (ERO), WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK (WWO) PROBABILITIES, HEAT  
INDICES, AND KEY MESSAGES CAN BE ACCESSED FROM:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 
 
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