973  
FXUS02 KWBC 191857  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
257 PM EDT SAT OCT 19 2024  
 
VALID 12Z TUE OCT 22 2024 - 12Z SAT OCT 26 2024  
   
..GENERAL OVERVIEW
 
 
THE WEATHER PATTERN ACROSS THE CONTINENTAL U.S. ON TUESDAY WILL  
FEATURE AN UPPER RIDGE AND SURFACE HIGH OVER THE EASTERN U.S.,  
ACCOMPANIED BY ABOVE AVERAGE TEMPERATURES. AN INCOMING TROUGH FROM  
THE MIDWEST AND A STRONGER TRAILING NORTHERN TIER U.S./CANADA  
TROUGH WILL THEN DISLODGE THIS RIDGE WHILE THE ASSOCIATED COLD  
FRONT WILL HERALD THE ARRIVAL OF COOLER WEATHER TOWARDS THE END OF  
THE WEEK. THE FRONT WILL HAVE LIMITED MOISTURE TO WORK WITH SO  
RAINFALL AMOUNTS FROM THE GREAT LAKES TO THE NORTHEAST WILL BE  
GENERALLY LIGHT. SPLITTING ELONGATED TROUGH ENERGY SHOULD PRODUCE A  
PACIFIC STORM SYSTEM EXPECTED TO APPROACH THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST  
LATE THIS WEEK, BUT WITH UNCERTAIN TIMING/STRENGTH/TRACK. THIS  
SYSTEM AND POSSIBLY A TRAILING FRONT ON SATURDAY SHOULD BRING A  
RETURN OF RAIN AND HIGH MOUNTAIN SNOW FROM NORTHERN CALIFORNIA TO  
WASHINGTON STATE. AHEAD OF THE PACIFIC SYSTEM, EXPECT MEAN RIDGING  
ALOFT AND ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES OVER THE INTERIOR WEST/ROCKIES  
AND THEN INTO THE CENTRAL U.S.  
   
..GUIDANCE/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
MODELS AND ENSEMBLES CONTINUE TO HAVE DIFFICULTY FIGURING OUT SOME  
DETAILS RESULTING FROM THE SPLITTING OF ENERGY INITIALLY WITHIN A  
CANADA INTO EASTERN PACIFIC ELONGATED UPPER TROUGH. WHILE  
THERE ARE STILL DIFFERENCES WITH SPECIFICS OF THE NORTHERN ENERGY  
THAT TRAVERSES THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF THE LOWER 48 AS A FAIRLY  
VIGOROUS SHORTWAVE AROUND WEDNESDAY-THURSDAY, THIS FEATURE HAS  
GENERALLY BEEN BETTER BEHAVED IN THE GUIDANCE THAN THE CLOSED LOW  
EXPECTED TO FORM OVER THE PACIFIC (THEN LIFT NORTHEASTWARD AS IT  
OPENS UP) OR SMALLER SCALE ENERGY THAT MAY PINCH OFF NEAR VANCOUVER  
ISLAND OR THE FAR NORTHWEST U.S. AND THEN DROP SOUTHEASTWARD.  
BEHIND THESE UNCERTAINTIES, THERE IS ACTUALLY BETTER THAN AVERAGE  
AGREEMENT FOR BERING SEA/ALEUTIANS FLOW THAT SHOULD QUICKLY DEVELOP  
NORTHEAST PACIFIC TROUGHING TOWARD THE END OF THE WEEK.  
 
AT THE MOMENT THERE IS NO CLEAR CLUSTERING AND SEEMINGLY AS MUCH  
SPREAD AS IN RECENT RUNS FOR WHERE THE EASTERN PACIFIC LOW WILL  
CLOSE OFF PLUS ITS NORTHEASTWARD TIMING AS IT OPENS UP, AS WELL AS  
FOR ONE OR MORE SMALLER SCALE PIECES OF ENERGY THAT MAY ORIGINATE  
FROM NEAR/OFFSHORE THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST/VANCOUVER ISLAND. CMC RUNS  
REMAIN ON THE FASTER SIDE OF THE SPREAD FOR THE PACIFIC SYSTEM,  
WITH LATEST GFS RUNS TENDING TO LEAN CLOSER TO THE CMC THAN THE  
SLOW ECMWF MEAN RUNS. LATEST MACHINE LEARNING (ML) MODELS REFLECT A  
LOT OF THIS SPREAD AS WELL, WHILE THE AVERAGE SURFACE LOW TRACK HAS  
GENERALLY TRENDED A BIT SOUTHWARD VERSUS 24-36 HOURS AGO--BUT STILL  
WITHIN A RANGE OF THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST TO VANCOUVER ISLAND. THERE  
IS ALSO A LITTLE BETTER AGREEMENT TODAY THAT THE OPENING OF THE  
UPPER LOW SHOULD SUPPORT JUST MODERATE DEPTH FOR THE SURFACE LOW.  
OVERALL PREFER A SOLUTION CLOSEST TO CONTINUITY, WHICH IS IN THE  
MIDDLE TO FASTER HALF OF THE SPREAD, WHILE WAITING FOR CLEARER  
CLUSTERING. THIS TIMING DIFFERENCE AFFECTS THE PATTERN OVER THE  
CENTRAL U.S. BY NEXT SATURDAY.  
 
INTERESTINGLY, THE 00Z ML MODELS HAVE BECOME MORE DEFINED WITH  
LINGERING PACIFIC NORTHWEST/VANCOUVER ISLAND ENERGY THAT ULTIMATELY  
TRANSLATES SOUTHEASTWARD LIKE ECMWF/UKMET RUNS. SUCH A SOLUTION  
WOULD PRODUCE A MORE DEFINED SURFACE WAVE AND EVEN A TRAILING COLD  
FRONT OVER THE CENTRAL U.S. VERSUS A BROAD SOUTHERLY GRADIENT AS  
SEEN IN MOST OTHER GUIDANCE. THE FAVORED BLEND YIELDS MERELY A  
WAVY WARM FRONT AT THIS TIME, WITH A MORE PROMINENT CONSENSUS  
REQUIRED TO ADJUST TOWARD THE ALTERNATE SCENARIO.  
 
THE UPDATED FORECAST STARTED WITH A BLEND OF THE 00Z/06Z  
OPERATIONAL MODELS (THOUGH SPLITTING ECMWF INPUT WITH THE 12Z/18  
RUN) WITH LEAST WEIGHT TO THE CMC FOR THE FIRST HALF OF THE PERIOD.  
THEN THE FORECAST ADDED SOME 00Z ECENS/CMCENS MEANS (GEFS REMAINING  
QUESTIONABLY WEAK FOR THE PACIFIC SYSTEM) AND WPC CONTINUITY TO  
COMPLEMENT THE 06Z GFS AND TWO ECMWF RUNS FOR THE REST OF THE  
PERIOD TO MAINTAIN REASONABLE STABILITY GIVEN PERSISTENT GUIDANCE  
SPREAD.  
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
 
THE COLD FRONT CROSSING THE GREAT LAKES AND INTO THE NORTHEAST  
WEDNESDAY INTO EARLY THURSDAY WILL LIKELY HAVE JUST ENOUGH  
MOISTURE AND LIFT TO PRODUCE SOME MAINLY LIGHT TO MODERATE SHOWERS,  
MAINLY NORTH OF THE INTERSTATE 70 CORRIDOR. IT SHOULD CONTINUE TO  
REMAIN DRY AND MOSTLY SUNNY FOR AREAS FARTHER TO THE SOUTH ACROSS  
THE MID-ATLANTIC AND THE SOUTHEAST U.S., WHERE THE VERY PLEASANT  
FALL WEATHER WILL CONTINUE FOR A WHILE. THERE ARE NO RISK AREAS IN  
THE DAY 4 AND DAY 5 EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOKS. UNCERTAIN SMALL-  
SCALE SHORTWAVE ENERGY COULD PRODUCE SOME POCKETS OF PRECIPITATION  
FROM THE NORTHERN ROCKIES SOUTHEASTWARD MID-LATE WEEK BUT WITH  
VERY LOW CONFIDENCE IN EXISTENCE OR OTHER DETAILS.  
 
THE PATTERN WILL BECOME FAVORABLE FOR THE RETURN OF MOISTURE TO  
THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST LATE THIS WEEK INTO THE WEEKEND. HOWEVER  
THERE IS CONTINUED SPREAD FOR A SYSTEM EXPECTED TO DEVELOP OVER THE  
EASTERN PACIFIC BY MIDWEEK AND LIFT NORTHEASTWARD THEREAFTER. RAIN  
AND HIGH ELEVATION NORTHERN CASCADES SNOW COULD COMMENCE AS EARLY  
AS LATE THURSDAY PER THE FAST SIDE OF THE SPREAD, OR TAKE UNTIL  
LATE FRIDAY OR SO ON THE SLOWER SIDE. BEHIND THIS SYSTEM, NORTHEAST  
PACIFIC UPPER DYNAMICS AND AN ASSOCIATED SURFACE FRONT SHOULD HELP  
TO MAINTAIN PRECIPITATION THROUGH SATURDAY. CURRENTLY THIS LOOKS  
MORE LIKE A BROAD PRECIPITATION EVENT RATHER THAN A FOCUSED  
ATMOSPHERIC RIVER, BUT SOME LOCALLY ENHANCED TOTALS WILL BE  
POSSIBLE. LIGHTER PRECIPITATION MAY REACH THE NORTHERN ROCKIES.  
 
TEMPERATURES WILL FEEL MORE LIKE SEPTEMBER ACROSS AREAS FROM THE  
CENTRAL U.S. INTO THE NORTHEAST TUESDAY INTO WEDNESDAY, WITH HIGHS  
RUNNING 10-20 DEGREES ABOVE AVERAGE FOR LATE OCTOBER AND POSSIBLY  
EVEN A LITTLE HIGHER OVER PARTS OF THE UPPER MIDWEST/NORTHERN GREAT  
LAKES ON TUESDAY. A COLD FRONT PUSHING RAPIDLY EASTWARD FROM THE  
NORTHERN PLAINS WILL BRING MORE SEASONABLE CONDITIONS AFTER  
MIDWEEK. FROM LATE WEEK INTO THE WEEKEND, A BUILDING WESTERN U.S.  
UPPER RIDGE THAT PUSHES EASTWARD AHEAD OF THE PACIFIC STORM SYSTEM  
SHOULD PROMOTE A WARMING TREND FIRST OVER THE INTERMOUNTAIN  
WEST AND ROCKIES/WESTERN HIGH PLAINS AND THEN COVERING MUCH OF THE  
CENTRAL U.S. WHERE MANY AREAS SHOULD SEE HIGHS 10-20 DEGREES ABOVE  
NORMAL. THE WEST COAST STATES SHOULD BE WITHIN A FEW DEGREES ON  
EITHER SIDE OF NORMAL ASIDE FROM A BRIEF WARMER PERIOD OVER PARTS  
OF CALIFORNIA AROUND MIDWEEK.  
 
RAUSCH/HAMRICK  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC MEDIUM  
RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST (QPF), EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK (ERO), WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK (WWO) PROBABILITIES, HEAT  
INDICES, AND KEY MESSAGES CAN BE ACCESSED FROM:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 
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