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FXUS02 KWBC 060658  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
158 AM EST WED NOV 6 2024  
 
VALID 12Z SAT NOV 09 2024 - 12Z WED NOV 13 2024  
 
...WATCHING HURRICANE RAFAEL AS IT TRACKS INTO THE GULF OF MEXICO  
TOWARD THE CENTRAL GULF COAST...  
 
   
..OVERVIEW  
 
AN UPPER HIGH WILL REMAIN ANCHORED OVER OR JUST NORTH OF THE  
BAHAMAS THROUGH THE PERIOD, WITH RIDGES EXTENDING OUT FROM THIS  
HIGH INTO THE GULF OF MEXICO AND EASTERN U.S. AT TIMES. THE  
NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER CONTINUES TO ISSUE ADVISORIES FOR  
HURRICANE RAFAEL WHICH SHOULD WEAKEN IN A FEW DAYS AS IT TRACKS  
CLOSER TO THE CENTRAL GULF COAST. THE COMBINATION OF RAFAEL'S  
MOISTURE AND A FRONTAL SYSTEM SUPPORTED BY AN UPPER LOW EJECTING  
NORTHEAST FROM THE PLAINS MAY PRODUCE SOME AREAS OF LOCALLY HEAVY  
RAINFALL FROM THE GULF COAST NORTHWARD. MEANWHILE, A SERIES OF  
PACIFIC SYSTEMS WILL INCREASE COVERAGE OF RAIN AND HIGHER ELEVATION  
SNOW OVER THE WEST FROM THE WEEKEND INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK. MUCH OF  
THE EAST SHOULD SEE ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES THROUGH THE PERIOD  
WHILE THE SOUTHERN ROCKIES WILL START THE WEEKEND ON THE CHILLY  
SIDE AND COOLER TEMPERATURES WILL SPREAD ACROSS THE WEST NEXT WEEK.  
   
..GUIDANCE/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT  
 
FOR HURRICANE RAFAEL, THERE IS STILL CONSIDERABLE GUIDANCE SPREAD  
(AS THE 00Z UKMET SWITCHED TO A WESTERN/SOUTHWESTERN GULF TRACK  
VERSUS BRINGING IT TO THE CENTRAL GULF COAST) BUT OVERALL THE  
MAJORITY OF DYNAMICAL/MACHINE LEARNING (ML) GUIDANCE IS GRADUALLY  
NARROWING THE SOLUTION SPREAD WITH A TRACK APPROACHING THE CENTRAL  
GULF COAST. THE SYSTEM SHOULD ALSO WEAKEN AS IT REACHES THE  
NORTHERN GULF, WITH LATEST GUIDANCE UNSURE OF WHETHER IT WILL GET  
LIFTED NORTHWARD/NORTHEASTWARD OR CONTINUE MEANDERING OVER THE  
GULF. CONTINUE TO MONITOR LATEST NHC PRODUCTS FOR ADDITIONAL  
INFORMATION ON RAFAEL.  
 
A MODEL AVERAGE HAS PROVIDED A FAIRLY CONSISTENT FORECAST OF THE  
UPPER LOW EJECTING FROM THE PLAINS, BUT GUIDANCE HAS BEEN MORE  
ERRATIC WITH DETAILS OF A SHORTWAVE THAT ENTERS WESTERN NORTH  
AMERICA DURING THE WEEKEND AND MAY HAVE SOME INFLUENCE ON THE  
REMAINING UPPER LOW ENERGY BY THE START OF NEXT WEEK (WITH SOME  
DEBATE OVER WHICH ENERGY MAY BE MORE PRONOUNCED AT THAT TIME).  
THIS LEADS TO UNCERTAINTY FOR SOME DETAILS OF THE FRONTAL SYSTEM  
REACHING THE NORTHEAST.  
 
THERE ARE CONTINUED TIMING AND AMPLITUDE DIFFERENCES FOR THE LARGER  
SCALE TROUGH MOVING INTO/THROUGH THE WEST EARLY NEXT WEEK, WITH GFS  
RUNS LEANING SLOWER AND ECMWF FASTER. LATEST ML MODELS SHOW A  
SIMILAR SPREAD, ARGUING FOR A BLEND/COMPROMISE APPROACH. THIS ALSO  
MITIGATES ISSUES FOR HOW ENERGY MAY BE DISTRIBUTED WITHIN THE UPPER  
TROUGH BY THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK, WITH INDIVIDUAL SOLUTIONS  
RANGING BETWEEN GREATER DYNAMICS IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE  
TROUGH, OR FARTHER SOUTH, TO AN EVENLY PHASED TROUGH. A COMPROMISE  
ALSO LOOKS BEST FOR THE NEXT SYSTEM THAT MAY COME INTO THE PICTURE  
OVER THE NORTHEASTERN PACIFIC BY NEXT WEDNESDAY.  
 
OVERALL A BLEND OF THE 12Z/18Z GFS, 12Z ECMWF, AND THE 18Z GEFS/12Z  
ECENS MEANS PROVIDED THE MOST AGREEABLE STARTING POINT FOR THE  
FORECAST OVERALL, WITH MORE OPERATIONAL MODEL WEIGHT EARLY NEARLY  
EVEN MODEL/MEAN WEIGHT BY NEXT TUESDAY-WEDNESDAY.  
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS  
 
 
THE COMBINATION OF THE PLAINS SYSTEM PUSHING INTO THE MISSISSIPPI  
VALLEY AND MOISTURE FROM RAFAEL, WHICH IS FORECAST TO BE SOUTH OF  
THE CENTRAL GULF COAST BY THE WEEKEND, WILL LEAD TO THE POTENTIAL  
FOR SOME AREAS OF HEAVY RAINFALL BETWEEN THE CENTRAL GULF COAST AND  
LOWER OHIO VALLEY. WHILE THERE IS STILL SPREAD IN THE GUIDANCE FOR  
WHERE THE MOISTURE AXIS WILL BE, CLUSTERING IS SIGNIFICANTLY  
IMPROVED FROM JUST 24 HOURS AGO. THE DAY 4 EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK VALID SATURDAY-SATURDAY NIGHT MAINTAINS A MARGINAL RISK  
AREA ACROSS THIS REGION. IT WILL TAKE ADDITIONAL TIME TO SEE IF  
GUIDANCE RESOLVES DETAILS SHARPLY ENOUGH TO MERIT AN EMBEDDED  
SLIGHT RISK. BY SUNDAY, GUIDANCE SIGNALS BECOME MORE DIFFUSE ALONG  
THE FRONT IN THE EAST-CENTRAL U.S., LEAVING JUST THE CENTRAL GULF  
COAST REGION WITH SOMEWHAT ELEVATED POTENTIAL FOR HEAVY RAINFALL  
DUE TO THE CONTINUED PROXIMITY OF RAFAEL AND MERITING A MARGINAL  
RISK AREA IN THE DAY 5 ERO. SOME RAINFALL MAY LINGER BEYOND SUNDAY  
BUT MOST OF THE EAST SHOULD TREND DRIER BY MONDAY-TUESDAY. ALSO OF  
NOTE, A WAVE TRACKING FROM THE SOUTHERN BAHAMAS INTO THE EASTERN  
GULF MAY INCREASE RAINFALL OVER FLORIDA AROUND SUNDAY-MONDAY.  
 
THE WEST WILL SEE A WETTER REGIME WITH HIGH ELEVATION SNOW,  
STARTING IN THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST AND THEN SPREADING FARTHER  
SOUTH INTO PARTS OF CALIFORNIA AND EAST INTO THE ROCKIES. HIGHEST  
TOTALS SHOULD BE IN THE SUNDAY-MONDAY TIME FRAME WITH A VIGOROUS  
UPPER TROUGH AND FRONTAL SYSTEM APPROACHING/REACHING THE AREA.  
WHILE THERE IS STILL A FAIR AMOUNT OF SPREAD FOR QPF MAGNITUDES,  
FIRST-GUESS GUIDANCE IS SHOWING ENOUGH OF A SIGNAL TO INTRODUCE A  
MARGINAL RISK AREA IN THE DAY 5 ERO OVER PARTS OF THE PACIFIC  
NORTHWEST WHERE INITIAL SOIL CONDITIONS ARE NEUTRAL TO DAMP.  
ANOTHER SYSTEM MAY BRING ADDITIONAL FOCUSED PRECIPITATION TO THE  
PACIFIC NORTHWEST NEXT WEDNESDAY. DEPENDING ON WESTERN UPPER TROUGH  
PROGRESSION, SOME RAINFALL MAY DEVELOP OVER THE CENTRAL U.S. BY THE  
MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK.  
 
EXCEPT FOR THE GREAT LAKES INTO NEW ENGLAND DURING THE WEEKEND,  
THE EASTERN HALF OF THE COUNTRY WILL LIKELY SEE ABOVE NORMAL  
TEMPERATURES THROUGH THE PERIOD. WARMEST ANOMALIES SHOULD BE FOR  
MORNING LOWS, REACHING 20-25F ABOVE NORMAL ON ONE OR MORE DAYS OVER  
THE SOUTH AND EXTENDING A LITTLE FARTHER NORTHEASTWARD AT TIMES.  
COVERAGE OF PLUS 10-15F ANOMALIES FOR HIGHS SHOULD INCREASE GOING  
FROM THE WEEKEND INTO THE FIRST HALF OF NEXT WEEK. CORRESPONDING TO  
THESE RELATIVE ANOMALIES, THERE WILL BE BETTER POTENTIAL FOR SOME  
RECORD WARM LOWS VERSUS MORE ISOLATED RECORDS FOR DAYTIME HIGHS.  
THE NORTHERN PLAINS WILL ALSO BE WELL ABOVE NORMAL UNTIL A COOLING  
TREND TUESDAY-WEDNESDAY, WHILE THE SOUTHERN PLAINS WILL BE WARMEST  
EARLY NEXT WEEK. CHILLY TEMPERATURES OVER THE SOUTHERN ROCKIES/HIGH  
PLAINS WILL GRADUALLY MODERATE MUCH OF THE WEST WILL BE NEAR  
NORMAL DURING THE WEEKEND. THE UPPER TROUGH PUSHING INTO THE WEST  
NEXT WEEK WILL EXPAND THE COVERAGE OF BELOW NORMAL TEMPERATURES  
FROM WEST TO EAST.  
 
RAUSCH  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC MEDIUM  
RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHPSCHICHTEL/HAMRICK  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST (QPF), EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK (ERO), WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK (WWO) PROBABILITIES, HEAT  
INDICES, AND KEY MESSAGES CAN BE ACCESSED FROM:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 
 
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