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FXUS02 KWBC 091859  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
159 PM EST SAT NOV 9 2024  
 
VALID 12Z TUE NOV 12 2024 - 12Z SAT NOV 16 2024  
 
... ANOTHER ATMOSPHERIC RIVER TO BRING HEAVY RAIN AND MOUNTAIN  
SNOW THREATS TO PARTS OF THE NORTHWEST MID NEXT WEEK...  
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
A FAIRLY PROGRESSIVE PATTERN IS FORECAST NEXT WEEK. UPPER  
TROUGHING OVER THE EAST TO START THE PERIOD TUESDAY WILL PUSH INTO  
THE ATLANTIC INTO MIDWEEK WHILE ANOTHER TROUGH TRACKS FROM THE  
INTERMOUNTAIN WEST TO THE CENTRAL U.S. TUESDAY-WEDNESDAY AND INTO  
THE EAST AROUND THURSDAY, BRINGING SOME LIGHT TO MODERATE MUCH-  
NEEDED PRECIPITATION FOR THE MIDWEST TO MID-ATLANTIC/NORTHEAST.  
UPPER RIDGING IS LIKELY ON EITHER SIDE OF THESE TROUGHS, PROMOTING  
SOME WARMER TEMPERATURES. OUT WEST, AN ATMOSPHERIC RIVER IS  
FORECAST TO IMPACT PARTS OF THE NORTHWEST AROUND MIDWEEK BRINGING  
HEAVY RAIN AND SNOW THREATS, WITH ADDITIONAL ROUNDS OF  
PRECIPITATION LATER IN THE WEEK WITH TROUGH RELOADING ALONG THE  
COAST.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
MODEL GUIDANCE REMAINS REASONABLY AGREEABLE ON THE LARGE SCALE  
PROGRESSIVE PATTERN, AND EXACT TIMING AND AMPLITUDE OF THE TROUGHS  
AND RIDGES ARE THE MOST UNCERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE FORECAST. THE  
FIRST TROUGH SHOWS OKAY AGREEMENT AS IT MOVES THROUGH THE EAST, BUT  
AS IT TRACKS OFFSHORE THERE ARE MODEL DIFFERENCES WITH AN UPPER  
LOW PERHAPS CLOSING OFF ATOP THE WESTERN ATLANTIC BY WEDNESDAY OR  
THURSDAY. MODEL DIFFERENCES WITH THE NEXT TROUGH (THE ONE THAT  
STARTS OVER THE WEST TUESDAY) MAY BE MORE IMPACTFUL FOR SENSIBLE  
WEATHER. NAMELY, GFS AND GEFS BASED GUIDANCE ARE QUICKER WITH THE  
TROUGH AXIS OR AT LEAST FARTHER EAST WITH ITS EASTERN SIDE FOR  
TUESDAY-THURSDAY, LEADING TO QPF PUSHING EASTWARD THROUGH THE  
MIDWEST TO NORTHEAST MORE QUICKLY THAN SHOWN BY THE NON-NCEP  
GUIDANCE. THE WPC QPF MADE AN ATTEMPT TO SLOW DOWN THE NBM QPF THAT  
LOOKED MORE LIKE THE GFS/GEFS, BUT MAY HAVE ENDED UP TOO LIGHT  
WITH AMOUNTS THAN WILL ACTUALLY VERIFY. THE NEW 12Z GFS MAY BE IN  
SLIGHTLY BETTER ALIGNMENT WITH THE OTHER GUIDANCE THAN ITS PREVIOUS  
RUNS. MEANWHILE THE NEW 12Z CMC AND ECMWF HAVE THE DEPTH OF THE  
TROUGH A LITTLE DEEPER INTO THE SOUTH COMPARED TO PREVIOUS RUNS,  
WHICH ALSO SLOWS THE TROUGH DOWN A BIT, SO WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR  
THIS POSSIBILITY.  
 
TIMING OF THE NEXT TROUGH MOVING THROUGH THE WEST LATER WEEK ALSO  
SHOWS SOME TIMING INCONSISTENCIES, AND A COUPLE OF ROUNDS OF ENERGY  
SHAPING THE TROUGH DIFFER. GENERALLY PREFERRED A MIDDLE GROUND OF  
THE SLOWER EC/EC MEAN AND FASTER GFS/GEFS MEAN.  
 
THE WPC FORECAST USED A MULTI-MODEL DETERMINISTIC BLEND EARLY IN  
THE FORECAST PERIOD, AND THEN DECREASED AMOUNTS OF THE  
DETERMINISTIC GUIDANCE (GFS AND UKMET FIRST, THEN CMC AND ECMWF) AS  
THE PERIOD PROGRESSED IN FAVOR OF THE GEFS AND EC ENSEMBLE MEANS.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
 
THE MAIN CONCERN FOR WEATHER HAZARDS WILL BE WITH A MODEST  
ATMOSPHERIC RIVER SET TO BEGIN IMPACTING THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST BY  
TUESDAY AND MAY LAST A FEW DAYS. HEAVY RAINFALL AND MOUNTAIN SNOWS  
ARE EXPECTED, AND WITH AN AR EXPECTED IN THE SHORT RANGE PERIOD  
CREATING WETTER ANTECEDENT CONDITIONS, EXCESSIVE RAINFALL AND  
FLOODING ARE POSSIBLE. MARGINAL RISKS REMAIN IN PLACE FOR BOTH DAY  
4/TUESDAY AND DAY 5/WEDNESDAY FOR PARTS OF THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST  
AND FARTHER SOUTH INTO NORTHERN CALIFORNIA AS THE AR SLOWLY SHIFTS  
SOUTHWARD MIDWEEK. ACCUMULATED SNOW MAY BECOME HEAVY IN THE  
CASCADES AS THE WEEK PROGRESSES, WITH MODEST SNOW AMOUNTS INTO THE  
NORTHERN ROCKIES.  
 
THE UPPER TROUGH AFFECTING THE WEST EARLY IN THE WEEK WILL  
PROGRESS EASTWARD AND BRING SOME AREAS OF MUCH NEEDED BUT MODEST  
PRECIPITATION TO THE EASTERN HALF OF THE COUNTRY DURING AT LEAST  
PARTS OF THE TUESDAY-THURSDAY PERIOD. CONTINUED MODEL DISAGREEMENTS  
IN THE TROUGH POSITION/EVOLUTION DO CAUSE SOME SPREAD FOR THE  
POSITIONING AND AMOUNTS OF PRECIPITATION ON INDIVIDUAL DAYS, BUT ON  
A BROAD SCALE, MODEST PRECIPITATION SHOULD AFFECT PARTS OF THE  
PLAINS AND MISSISSIPPI VALLEY TUESDAY, SPREADING INTO THE  
MIDWEST/GREAT LAKES AND OHIO/TENNESSEE VALLEYS TO APPALACHIANS  
WEDNESDAY, AND TOWARD THE EASTERN SEABOARD THURSDAY. MOST  
PRECIPITATION LOOKS TO FALL AS RAIN GIVEN THE WARMER THAN NORMAL  
TEMPERATURES, UNTIL SOME ICE AND SNOW ARE POSSIBLE IN HIGHER  
ELEVATIONS OF THE INTERIOR NORTHEAST MID- TO LATER WEEK. MODELS ARE  
STARTING TO SHOW SOME POTENTIAL FOR RAIN TO FOCUS NEAR THE CENTRAL  
GULF COAST ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE UPPER TROUGH AND FRONT BY  
WEDNESDAY, BUT THIS IS STILL UNCERTAIN. WINDS MAY BE GUSTY BEHIND  
THE ASSOCIATED LOW PRESSURE AND FRONTAL SYSTEM IN THE NORTHERN  
ROCKIES TO NORTHERN PLAINS TUESDAY-WEDNESDAY.  
 
WHILE SYSTEM PROGRESSION WILL PROVIDE SOME DAY-TO-DAY VARIABILITY,  
MOST OF THE LOWER 48 TO THE EAST OF THE ROCKIES SHOULD SEE ABOVE  
NORMAL TEMPERATURES MUCH OF THE WEEK. TEMPERATURES ARE FORECAST TO  
MODERATE BEHIND A COLD FRONT ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES REGION TUESDAY  
AND OVER MUCH OF THE EASTERN SEABOARD WEDNESDAY, WHILE THE PLAINS  
AND MISSISSIPPI VALLEY REMAIN MILD, WITH MILDER TEMPERATURES  
STRETCHING INTO THE EAST-CENTRAL U.S. BY LATE WEEK UNDER THE  
TROUGH. MEANWHILE LINGERING SNOW COVER IN THE CENTRAL/SOUTHERN  
ROCKIES WILL PROMOTE COOLER THAN NORMAL HIGHS THERE. THE WEST  
OTHERWISE SHOULD GENERALLY NEAR TO A BIT BELOW NORMAL, WITH  
INCREASING COVERAGE OF BELOW NORMAL TEMPERATURES (ESPECIALLY HIGHS)  
BY LATE WEEK.  
 
TATE/SANTORELLI  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC MEDIUM  
RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST (QPF), EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK (ERO), WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK (WWO) PROBABILITIES, HEAT  
INDICES, AND KEY MESSAGES CAN BE ACCESSED FROM:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 
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