593  
FXUS02 KWBC 111853  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
153 PM EST MON NOV 11 2024  
 
VALID 12Z THU NOV 14 2024 - 12Z MON NOV 18 2024  
 
19Z UPDATE: OVERALL, THE 12Z MODEL GUIDANCE IS IN EXCELLENT  
AGREEMENT ACROSS THE CONTINENTAL U.S. FOR BOTH THURSDAY AND FRIDAY,  
AND THEREFORE A MULTI-DETERMINISTIC MODEL BLEND WORKS WELL AS A  
STARTING POINT IN THE FORECAST PROCESS. THE UKMET IS HEAVIER WITH  
QPF ACROSS PORTIONS OF THE CAROLINAS THAT DOES NOT HAVE MUCH  
SUPPORT FROM THE MODEL CONSENSUS, BUT OTHERWISE IT MATCHED UP WELL  
ELSEWHERE. BEGINNING LATE SATURDAY, THE CMC BECOMES MORE  
PROGRESSIVE WITH THE TROUGH ACROSS THE DESERT SOUTHWEST AND THEN  
EJECTS IT ACROSS THE SOUTHERN PLAINS, WHEREAS THE GFS/ECMWF FAVOR A  
CLOSED LOW THAT IS SLOWER TO LIFT OUT. EVEN GREATER DIFFERENCES  
EMERGE OVER THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST BY NEXT MONDAY, AND THIS IS WHERE  
AN ENSEMBLE MEAN APPROACH WORKS BEST, AND ENSEMBLE MEANS ACCOUNTED  
FOR ABOUT 40-50% OF THE FORECAST BY THAT TIME. NO CHANGES WERE  
NEEDED FOR THE DAY 4 AND 5 EROS, WHICH REMAIN VOID OF ANY EXCESSIVE  
RAINFALL AREAS GIVEN THE RELATIVELY UNEVENTFUL QPF THAT IS  
EXPECTED. THE PREVIOUS FORECAST DISCUSSION IS APPENDED BELOW FOR  
REFERENCE. /HAMRICK  
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..OVERVIEW
 
 
A SHORTWAVE INTO THE EAST AS THE PERIOD BEGINS THURSDAY WILL BRING  
LIGHT TO MODERATE MUCH-NEEDED PRECIPITATION TO PARTS OF THE OHIO  
VALLEY/MID-ATLANTIC/NORTHEAST ON THURSDAY. THIS ENERGY WILL EXIT  
THE COAST BY FRIDAY, COMBINING WITH AN UPPER LOW NEAR MAINE THAT  
LINGERS FOR A FEW DAYS. UPPER RIDGING WILL PROGRESS FROM THE  
CENTRAL TO EASTERN U.S. BRINGING A RETURN TO SEASONABLY WARM  
TEMPERATURES. MEANWHILE, A TROUGH ENTERING THE WEST ON THURSDAY  
WILL DEEPEN AS IT SLOWLY SHIFTS EAST NEXT WEEKEND AND INTO EARLY  
NEXT WEEK. ANOTHER SHORTWAVE INTO THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST WILL BRING  
A CHANCE FOR ENHANCED PRECIPITATION TO THAT REGION.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
THE GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO SHOW GOOD AGREEMENT ON THE OVERALL LARGE  
SCALE PATTERN ACROSS THE CONUS FOR THE UPCOMING MEDIUM RANGE  
PERIOD, BUT PLENTY OF UNCERTAINTY IN THE DETAILS AND EVOLUTION OF  
INDIVIDUAL SYSTEMS. MODELS HAVE TRENDED BETTER IN TERMS OF  
TIMING/AMPLITUDE OF THE SHORTWAVE INTO THE EAST, THOUGH SOME  
QUESTION ON ENERGY AS IT GETS WRAPPED INTO THE UPPER LOW PARKED OFF  
THE NORTHEAST COAST. THE TROUGH INTO THE WEST ALSO SHOWS GOOD  
AGREEMENT THE FIRST HALF OF THE PERIOD, BUT BY SUNDAY AND MONDAY  
DETAILS GET HIGHLY UNCERTAIN. THERE IS SOME SUGGESTION THAT AN  
UPPER LOW MAY BREAK OFF OVER/NEAR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AROUND SUNDAY  
AND THE TIMING/EVOLUTION OF THIS PROGRESSING EASTWARD INTO MONDAY  
HAS BIG IMPLICATIONS FOR THE LATE WEEKEND PRECIPITATION PATTERN  
ACROSS THE SOUTH-CENTRAL PLAINS. THE ECMWF IS MUCH QUICKER TO  
WEAKEN THE LOW AND MOVE IT EAST, BUT THE NEW 00Z RUN (AVAILABLE  
AFTER FORECAST GENERATION TIME) DID SLOW DOWN. THE GFS REMAINS THE  
STRONGEST AND SLOWEST. WPC PREFERS A MIDDLE GROUND SOLUTION CLOSEST  
TO THE CMC AND ENSEMBLE MEANS.  
 
THE WPC FORECAST BLEND FOR TONIGHT USED AN EQUAL BLEND OF THE  
DETERMINISTIC GUIDANCE (MINUS THE UKMET WHICH WAS SLOWER WITH THE  
EASTERN SHORTWAVE) FOR THE FIRST HALF OF THE PERIOD. AFTER THIS,  
INCREASED THE ENSEMBLE MEANS TO 70 PERCENT OF THE BLEND BY DAY  
7/MONDAY TO ACCOUNT FOR RAPIDLY LOWER CONFIDENCE IN THE FLOW  
SPECIFICS ESPECIALLY OUT WEST.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
 
A SHORTWAVE INTO THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST ON THURSDAY WILL CONTINUE  
TO BRING SOME ADDITIONAL RAINFALL AND HIGHER ELEVATIONS SNOWS, BUT  
THE HEAVIEST AND MOST IMPACTFUL PRECIPITATION SHOULD BE IN THE  
SHORT RANGE PERIOD. PRECIPITATION ACROSS THE NORTHWEST SHOULD TREND  
LIGHTER THURSDAY-FRIDAY WITH MODERATE MOUNTAIN SNOWS CONTINUING  
ACROSS THE NORTHERN ROCKIES AND INTO THE SIERRA NEVADA RANGE.  
ACROSS THE EAST, MODEST RAINFALL SHOULD ACCOMPANY A COLD FRONT AS  
IT PASSES THROUGH THE EAST ON THURSDAY, BUT GIVEN MUCH OF THIS  
REGION REMAINS IN A DROUGHT, RAINFALL SHOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL  
THAN HAZARDOUS. AS SUCH, THE DAYS 4 AND 5 (THURSDAY-FRIDAY)  
EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOKS ARE BLANK ACROSS THE CONUS.  
 
AFTER FRIDAY, MOISTURE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF A SURFACE LOW EJECTING  
INTO THE NORTHERN PLAINS MAY BRING SOME LIGHT RAIN OR SNOW FROM  
EASTERN MONTANA TO THE UPPER MIDWEST. AS THE WESTERN TROUGH  
DEEPENS, IT MAY BEGIN TO TAP MOISTURE TO INCREASE PRECIPITATION  
CHANCES ACROSS THE SOUTH-CENTRAL PLAINS. HOWEVER, EXTENT AND  
AMOUNTS OF THIS RAINFALL REMAINS UNKNOWN GIVEN THE UNCERTAINTIES IN  
THE EVOLUTION OF THIS TROUGH OVER THE SOUTHWEST. A NORTHERN STREAM  
SHORTWAVE INTO THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST SHOULD BRING ANOTHER ROUND OF  
MODEST RAIN AND MOUNTAIN SNOWS TO WESTERN WASHINGTON/OREGON AND  
THE CASCADES NEXT WEEKEND.  
 
ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES WILL PROGRESS EASTWARD WITH TIME FROM  
THE NORTHERN PLAINS/MIDWEST THURSDAY-FRIDAY, ENVELOPING THE EAST BY  
SUNDAY INTO MONDAY. DAYTIME HIGHS COULD BE 10-15 DEGREES ABOVE  
NORMAL IN SOME SPOTS. OUT WEST, TEMPERATURES WILL TREND MUCH COOLER  
WITH TIME AS UPPER TROUGHING AMPLIFIES OVER THE REGION AND  
PERSISTS INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK.  
 
SANTORELLI  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC MEDIUM  
RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST (QPF), EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK (ERO), WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK (WWO) PROBABILITIES, HEAT  
INDICES, AND KEY MESSAGES CAN BE ACCESSED FROM:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 
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