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QPFERD  
 
EXCESSIVE RAINFALL DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
732 PM EST TUE NOV 19 2024  
 
DAY 1  
VALID 01Z WED NOV 20 2024 - 12Z WED NOV 20 2024  
 
...THERE IS A SLIGHT RISK OF EXCESSIVE RAINFALL ACROSS PORTIONS OF  
NORTHWEST CALIFORNIA AND SOUTHWEST OREGON...  
   
..01Z UPDATE  
 
THE SLIGHT RISK ALONG THE GULF COAST WAS DOWNGRADED AS THE HEAVIEST  
RAIN FOR MOST HAS SHIFTED OFF TO THE EAST. IN COORDINATION WITH  
TAE/TALLAHASSEE, FL FORECAST OFFICE, THE MARGINAL RISK WAS  
MAINTAINED ALONG AND SOUTH OF I-10 EAST OF PANAMA CITY FOR ANY  
POTENTIAL ISOLATED FLASH FLOODING WITH THE SLOW MOVING AREA OF  
HEAVY RAIN PUSHING EAST ACROSS THE AREA. ANY FLOODING CONCERNS ARE  
RELEGATED MOSTLY TO URBAN AND FLOOD-PRONE AREAS OF THE EASTERN  
FLORIDA PANHANDLE.  
 
NO CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE SLIGHT AND MARGINAL RISKS ALONG THE  
WEST COAST. THE MULTI-DAY RAIN EVENT FOR MUCH OF THE WASHINGTON AND  
OREGON COASTS IS JUST GETTING STARTED AS THE PARENT LOW A COUPLE HUNDRED  
MILES OFF THE COAST OF WASHINGTON DEEPENS AT AN ASTONISHING RATE.  
THE LAST ESTIMATE WAS THE LOW DEEPENED 67 MB IN THE LAST 24 HOURS.  
THIS IS A PRESSURE FALL ONLY MATCHED BY A VERY SELECT FEW STORMS  
IN THE RECORDS, AND IS MORE THAN ANY NORTH PACIFIC LOW IN AT LEAST  
THE LAST 50 YEARS!  
 
WEGMAN  
 
16Z UPDATE:  
 
FOR THE CENTRAL GULF COAST, SURFACE WAVE ALONG THE COLD FRONT IS  
LIFTING EAST-NORTHEAST SLOWLY UNDER RESPONSE OF STRENGTHENING  
130KT JET ACROSS THE CENTRAL MS VALLEY AND IS EXPECTED TO SLOW A  
BIT. PROGRESSIVE PRE-FRONTAL TROUGH LEAVING EASTERN LA INTO THE  
NORTHERN GULF IS LIKELY TO INTERSECT BEST MOISTURE FLUX AND MAY  
LIMIT NORTHWARD EXPANSION OF UNSTABLE AIR NORTH INTO S MS/S AL/W  
FL, BUT IF IT CAN, STRONGER, SLOWER MOVING THUNDERSTORMS WILL  
RETAIN AMPLE RISK OF PRODUCING LOCALIZED STREETS OF 3-5" ACROSS THE  
AREA POTENTIALLY INTO SW GA TO MAINTAIN RISK AREAS WITH EROSION OF  
THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE RISK AREAS AS THE FRONT HAS PASSED IN  
CENTRAL LA.  
 
FOR THE WEST COAST, RAPID CYCLOGENESIS IS ALREADY OCCURRING BASED  
ON GOES-W SATELLITE SUITE. SHOWERS AND PERHAPS AN OCCASIONAL  
SALLOW-TOPPED THUNDERSTORM WILL PROGRESS EASTWARD INTO THE WA/OR  
AND N CA COAST INTO THIS EVENING/OVERNIGHT. PLACEMENT AND RISK  
CATEGORIES REMAIN SOLID THAT ONLY COSMETIC CHANGES WERE MADE.  
 
GALLINA  
 
----PRIOR DISCUSSION----   
..CENTRAL GULF COAST  
 
LATEST SATELLITE IMAGERY IS SHOWING ENHANCING CONVECTION TO THE  
SOUTH OF SOUTHEAST LA ASSOCIATED WITH THE ANOMALOUS TROPICAL  
MOISTURE SURGE AHEAD OF THE COLD FRONT MOVING EAST ACROSS THE  
CENTRAL GULF COAST. TRENDS IN THE LATEST HI RES GUIDANCE SUGGEST  
THIS OFFSHORE ENHANCING CONVECTION WILL BECOME THE HEAVIEST  
FRONTAL/PRE-FRONTAL RAINS AS ORGANIZED CONVECTION CURRENTLY ALONG  
THE FRONT FARTHER TO THE NORTH BEGIN TO WEAKEN AFTER 1200 UTC. HI  
RES GUIDANCE IS IN FAIRLY GOOD AGREEMENT THAT THE HEAVIEST RAINS  
WITH THE OFFSHORE ENHANCING CONVECTION WILL REMAIN JUST TO THE  
SOUTH OF FAR SOUTHERN MS, FAR SOUTHERN AL AND THE WESTERN FL  
PANHANDLE, BUT STILL AFFECTING FAR SOUTHEAST LA. HREF NEIGHBORHOOD  
PROBABILITIES SHOW THAT THE AXIS OF THE HIGHEST PROBABILITIES FOR 2  
AND 3"+ AMOUNTS WILL REMAIN OFFSHORE WITH THE NORTHERN EDGE OF  
THESE HIGHER PROBABILITIES AFFECTING AREAS FROM FAR SOUTHEAST LA  
AND ALONG THE IMMEDIATE FAR SOUTHERN MS, FAR SOUTHERN AL AND  
WESTERN FL PANHANDLE. CHANGES TO THE PREVIOUS OUTLOOK WERE TO TRIM  
THE NORTHERN EXTENT OF THE SLIGHT RISK AREA BY APPROXIMATELY 20 NM  
AND TO TRIM THE WESTERN EXTENT OF THE SLIGHT RISK BY APPROXIMATELY  
40NM TO ACCOUNT FOR THE HI RES TRENDS. AT THE MOMENT, THE CONSENSUS  
ON TIMING OF CONVECTION SUPPORTS REMOVING THE NEW ORLEANS METRO  
AREA FROM THE SLIGHT RISK, WITH THE HEAVIEST RAINS LIKELY TO THE  
EAST AND SOUTHEAST PRIOR TO 1200 UTC TUESDAY.  
   
..COASTAL WASHINGTON, OREGON AND FAR NORTHWEST CALIFORNIA  
 
LATEST MODELS CONTINUE TO BE IN GOOD AGREEMENT ON THE RAPID  
CYCLOGENESIS EVENT ACROSS THE NORTHEAST PACIFIC OFF THE PACIFIC  
NORTHWEST COAST, SIGNALING THE BEGINNING OF A MULTI DAY ATMOSPHERIC  
RIVER EVENT FOR NORTHWEST CA INTO FAR SOUTHWEST OR. ANOMALOUS LOW  
LEVEL SOUTHERLY FLOW EXPECTED ALONG AND AHEAD OF THE ASSOCIATED  
COLD FRONT TUESDAY NIGHT INTO EARLY WEDNESDAY, WITH 850-700 MB  
MOISTURE FLUX ANOMALIES OF 3-4 STANDARD DEVIATIONS ABOVE THE MEAN  
IMPACTING THE COASTAL PAC NW, SOUTH INTO FAR NORTHWEST CA COAST. A  
WELL DEFINED AREA OF FRONTAL PRECIP LIKELY TO PUSH INLAND ACROSS  
COASTAL PAC NW/FAR NORTHWEST CA AFTER 0000 UTC WEDNESDAY. THE  
STRONG SOUTHERLY LOW LEVEL FLOW WILL BE MOSTLY PARALLEL TO THE  
TERRAIN ALONG THE PAC NW COAST, LIMITING HOURLY RAINFALL RATES TO  
.10-.25"+. GREATER HOURLY RATES LIKELY ACROSS FAR SOUTHWEST OREGON  
INTO COASTAL NW CA WHERE A MORE SIGNIFICANT UPSLOPE COMPONENT TO  
THE LOW LEVEL FLOW IS LIKELY. HI RES GUIDANCE IS FAIRLY SIMILAR IN  
SHOWING HOURLY RATES OF .25-.50"+ IN THE 0600 TO 1200 UTC WEDNESDAY  
PERIOD ACROSS FAR SOUTHWEST OR INTO FAR NW CA. HREF .50"/HR  
PROBABILITIES SUBSEQUENTLY ARE HIGH ACROSS THIS AREA, WITH 1"/HR  
PROBABILITIES MUCH LOWER AND PRIMARILY OFFSHORE. NO CHANGES MADE TO  
THE PREVIOUS SLIGHT RISK AREA, WHICH CORRESPONDS WELL TO THE ABOVE  
MENTIONED AXIS OF HIGH .50"+/HR HREF NEIGHBORHOOD PROBABILITIES.  
 
ORAVEC  
 
DAY 2  
VALID 12Z WED NOV 20 2024 - 12Z THU NOV 21 2024  
 
...THERE IS A MODERATE RISK FOR EXCESSIVE RAINFALL ACROSS PORTIONS  
OF NORTHWEST CALIFORNIA...  
   
..1930 UTC UPDATE  
 
SLIGHT CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE DAY 2 ERO OUT IN CA AND FAR  
SOUTHWEST OR -- MAINLY TO TRIM THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE MODERATE  
RISK, WHILE ALSO PULLING THE SOUTHERN PERIPHERIES OF THE  
MODERATE/SLIGHT/MARGINAL RISK AREAS SLIGHTLY SOUTHWARD BASED ON THE  
LATEST GUIDANCE TRENDS. THE MODERATE IS NOW CLOSER (THOUGH STILL  
NORTH OF) THE BAY AREA, WHERE THE LATEST (12Z) HREF 24  
PROBABILITIES OF >8" IN 24HRS IS NOW 60-80+ PERCENT.  
 
HURLEY  
   
..PREVIOUS DISCUSSION  
 
THE MULTI DAY ATMOSPHERIC RIVER EVENT THE BEGAN LATE DAY 1 FOR FAR  
SOUTHWEST OREGON INTO NORTHWEST CALIFORNIA WILL CONTINUE DAY 2,  
PRIMARILY ACROSS NORTHWEST CALIFORNIA. THE RAPIDLY DEEPENING LOW  
OVER THE NORTHEAST PACIFIC DAY 1 WILL ANCHOR A NEARLY STATIONARY  
UPPER VORTEX OFF THE PAC NW COAST DAY 2. STRONG PERSISTENT DEEP  
LAYERED WEST SOUTHWEST FLOW ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THIS VORTEX WILL  
IMPACT NORTHWEST CALIFORNIA DAY 2, WITH IVT VALUES OF 500-800  
KM/M-1 S-2. AND 850-700 MB MOISTURE FLUX ANOMALIES OF 2-4+ STANDARD  
DEVIATIONS ABOVE THE MEAN. THERE IS FAIRLY GOOD MODEL AGREEMENT  
WITH HEAVY PRECIP TOTALS OF 3-5" PRIMARILY OVER NORTHWEST  
CALIFORNIA, WITH ISOLATED TOTALS OF 6-8" POSSIBLE. THE PREVIOUS  
MODERATE RISK AREA WAS ADJUSTED SLIGHTLY SOUTHWARD BY APPROXIMATELY  
10-40 NM TO ACCOUNT FOR MODEL MAX AXIS CONSENSUS. HOURLY RAINFALL  
AMOUNTS OF .25-.50"+ LIKELY THROUGH THE DAY 2 TIME PERIOD ACROSS  
NORTHWEST CA WITH INCREASING FLOODING RISKS WITH TIME AS SOILS  
BECOME SATURATED AND STREAMS AND RIVER LEVELS RISE. THE HREF 1 HOUR  
PROBABILITIES FOR .50"+ TOTALS FOR THE FIRST HALF OF DAY 2 WHEN  
THE DATA IS AVAILABLE, REMAIN HIGH ACROSS NORTHWEST CA.  
 
ORAVEC  
 
DAY 3  
VALID 12Z THU NOV 21 2024 - 12Z FRI NOV 22 2024  
 
...THERE IS A HIGH RISK FOR EXCESSIVE RAINFALL ACROSS PORTIONS OF  
NORTHWEST CALIFORNIA...  
   
..1930 UTC UPDATE  
 
NOT TOO MANY CHANGES MADE TO THE DAY 3 ERO, ESPECIALLY WITH  
RESPECT TO THE WELL-COLLABORATED HIGH RISK ISSUED OVERNIGHT. LATEST  
TRENDS IN THE GUIDANCE DO SUPPORT NUDGING THE HIGH A LITTLE FARTHER  
SOUTH, PERHAPS EVEN SOUTH OF EKA. FOR NOW, HAVE BEGUN THAT SHIFT,  
BUT NOT DRASTICALLY SO. WILL EVALUATE FURTHER WITH THE OVERNIGHT  
PACKAGE TO SEE IF MORE ADJUSTMENTS ARE NECESSARY (INCLUDING MOVING  
THE HIGH RISK SOUTH OF EKA).  
   
..PREVIOUS DISCUSSION BELOW  
THE DEEP NORTHEAST PACIFIC VORTEX  
REMAINS NEARLY STATIONARY DAY 3 OFF THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST COAST,  
SUPPORTING THE CONTINUATION OF THE MULTI DAY ATMOSPHERIC RIVER  
EVENT FOR NORTHWEST CA INTO FAR SOUTHWEST OR. ANOMALOUS DEEP  
LAYERED SOUTHWESTERLY FLOW WILL CONTINUE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THIS  
VORTEX. 850 TO 700 MB MOISTURE FLUX ANOMALIES WILL CONTINUE TO BE 2  
TO 4+ STANDARD DEVIATIONS ABOVE THE MEAN WITH IVT VALUES ALSO  
MAINTAINED IN THE 500 TO 800 KM/M-1 S-2 RANGE ACROSS NORTHWEST CA  
INTO FAR SOUTHWEST OR. THERE IS A LIKELIHOOD OF VERY HEAVY RAINS  
AGAIN FALLING DAY 3 OVER SIMILAR REGIONS FROM THE DAY 2 PERIOD.  
HOURLY RATES OF .25-.50"+ LIKELY TO CONTINUE AT TIMES SUPPORTING  
ADDITIONAL 24 HOUR RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 3 TO 6 INCHES AND ISOLATED  
ADDITIONAL 24 HOUR TOTALS OF 6-8" ACROSS NORTHWEST CA INTO  
SOUTHWEST OR. STORM TOTAL AMOUNTS OF 12 TO 16+ INCHES POSSIBLE  
ACROSS PORTIONS OF NORTHWEST CALIFORNIA. GIVEN THIS DAY 2-3 HEAVY  
RAIN OVERLAP POTENTIAL, A SMALL HIGH RISK AREA WAS INTRODUCED OVER  
NORTHWEST CA, ACROSS THE WEST CENTRAL PORTIONS OF THE EKA'S CWA.  
FLOOD RISKS WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE DAY 3 ALONG WITH ROCK AND  
LAND SLIDES AS SOILS BECOME SATURATED AND STREAMS AND RIVERS  
CONTINUE TO RISE AND OVERFLOW. THERE WILL BE A NORTHWARD SHIFT BACK  
INTO FAR SOUTHWEST OREGON DAY 3 FOR THE HEAVY RAIN POTENTIAL AS  
THE UPPER FLOW BACK AND HEIGHTS RISE. THE RISING HEIGHTS WILL ALSO  
KEEP MUCH OF THE DAY 3 PRECIP AS RAIN, INCREASING OVERALL RUNOFF.  
 
ORAVEC  
 
DAY 1 THREAT AREA: HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/94EPOINTS.TXT  
DAY 2 THREAT AREA: HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/98EPOINTS.TXT  
DAY 3 THREAT AREA: HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/99EPOINTS.TXT  
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