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FXUS02 KWBC 240710  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
210 AM EST SUN NOV 24 2024  
 
VALID 12Z WED NOV 27 2024 - 12Z SUN DEC 01 2024  
 
 
...MESSY THANKSGIVING TRAVEL POSSIBLE IN THE EASTERN HALF OF THE  
U.S., INCLUDING POTENTIAL CENTRAL/NORTHERN TIER WINTER WEATHER...  
 
   
..OVERVIEW  
 
AS THE MEDIUM RANGE PERIOD BEGINS MIDWEEK, UPPER ENERGY OVER THE  
INTERMOUNTAIN WEST WILL PRODUCE HEAVY SNOW IN HIGHER ELEVATIONS OF  
THE CENTRAL ROCKIES IN PARTICULAR, AND THEN COMBINE WITH NORTHERN  
STREAM ENERGIES FARTHER EASTWARD AS THE LARGE SCALE PATTERN SETTLES  
INTO A MEAN TROUGH OVER THE EASTERN HALF OR MORE OF THE COUNTRY  
WITH AN UPSTREAM RIDGE OVER THE NORTHEAST PACIFIC. GUIDANCE  
CONTINUES TO SHOW DEVELOPING LOW PRESSURE AHEAD OF THE EVOLVING  
EASTERN UPPER TROUGH BUT WITH SIGNIFICANT DETAIL DIFFERENCES  
AFFECTING SENSIBLE WEATHER. CURRENTLY THE BEST POTENTIAL FOR  
MODERATE TO HEAVY PRECIPITATION EXISTS ACROSS THE TENNESSEE VALLEY  
AND SOUTHEAST INTO THE APPALACHIANS AND MID-ATLANTIC DURING A  
PORTION OF THE MID-LATE WEEK PERIOD. SOME WINTRY PRECIPITATION MAY  
BE POSSIBLE IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE MOISTURE SHIELD AND IN  
HIGHER ELEVATIONS, WITH BEST CHANCES ACROSS THE NORTHEAST. THE  
DEEPENING UPPER TROUGH AND COLD SURFACE HIGH PRESSURE WILL INCREASE  
THE COVERAGE OF COLDER THAN AVERAGE TEMPERATURES EAST OF THE  
ROCKIES THROUGH LATE WEEK AND INTO NEXT WEEKEND. THE COLD WESTERLY  
FLOW SHOULD LEAD TO SOME POSSIBLY HEAVY LAKE EFFECT SNOWS BY NEXT  
WEEKEND BEHIND THE LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT  
 
THOUGH MODELS AGREE REASONABLY WELL WITH THE FORMATION OF AN UPPER  
TROUGH ATOP THE EASTERN U.S. FOR LATER WEEK, UNFORTUNATELY THE  
ASSOCIATED SURFACE LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM TRACK HAS HIGHER THAN  
TYPICAL SPREAD FOR WHAT IS NOW A DAY 4-5 FORECAST FOR THE LATTER  
PART OF THIS WEEK, ALIGNING WITH BUSY HOLIDAY TRAVEL DATES.  
VARIABILITY WITH THE INITIAL INTERMOUNTAIN WEST SHORTWAVE ENERGY  
AND TRAILING NORTHERN STREAM FLOW ARE NOTABLE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS  
TO THE MODEL DISAGREEMENTS. THE 12Z UKMET WAS AMONG THE SLOWER  
MODELS PUSHING THE WEST SHORTWAVE EASTWARD, BUT THE 12Z AIFS AND  
SOME OTHER AI/ML MODELS WERE SIMILAR. THE BULK OF THE OTHER MODELS  
AGREE THERE SHOULD BE CYCLOGENESIS IN THE SOUTHERN PLAINS BY  
WEDNESDAY, BUT WITH DIFFER IN THE LOW TRACK BEYOND THAT. GENERALLY,  
ECMWF CONTROL RUNS AND MANY EC ENSEMBLE MEMBERS INDICATE A FARTHER  
NORTHWEST TRACK COMPARED TO GFS AND CMC GUIDANCE. BUT GFS/CMC HAVE  
NOT BEEN VERY STABLE WITH THEIR LOW TRACKS. THE 12Z GFS AND CMC  
SEEMED REASONABLY AGREEABLE WITH A TRACK OVER THE TENNESSEE VALLEY  
AND THE NORTHERN MID-ATLANTIC OR SO ON THURSDAY AND ENDING UP NEAR  
CAPE COD 12Z FRIDAY, ALBEIT WITH PLENTY OF SPREAD IN THEIR ENSEMBLE  
MEMBERS. THE 18Z GFS WAS SLOWER TO TRACK THE LOW NORTHEASTWARD BUT  
WITH A SIMILAR PATH. SINCE THE 12Z GFS AND CMC WERE KIND OF A  
MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN THE NORTHWESTERN EC LOW TRACK AND OTHER  
MODELS THAT WERE MORE SUPPRESSED, LEANED TOWARD A LOW TRACK LIKE  
THEIRS AND THE SIMILAR NAEFS MEAN, PUTTING THE LOW OVER EASTERN  
KENTUCKY THURSDAY 12Z AND NEAR BOSTON FRIDAY 12Z. THIS WAS A  
NORTHWARD SHIFT COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS FORECAST AND WAS REFLECTED  
IN THE QPF. HOWEVER, THE NEWER 00Z GFS AND CMC HAVE TRENDED TOWARD  
A MORE SUPPRESSED LOW TRACK ACROSS THE SOUTHEAST BEFORE THE LOW'S  
TURN NORTH ACROSS THE WESTERN ATLANTIC, CERTAINLY LESSENING  
CONFIDENCE IN THIS TREND. THE OCCLUDING LOW SHOULD MAKE ITS WAY  
INTO EASTERN CANADA OVER THE WEEKEND.  
 
BEHIND THE TROUGH, UPPER RIDGING IS GENERALLY FORECAST TO FORM  
ALONG THE WEST COAST, BUT UNDERCUT BY SOUTHERN STREAM ENERGY THAT  
COMPLICATES MATTERS. THE SOUTHERN TROUGH/PERHAPS CLOSED LOW SHOULD  
MOVE GRADUALLY EASTWARD TOWARD CALIFORNIA BY NEXT WEEKEND, BUT AT  
THIS TIME ANY NOTABLE SURFACE FEATURES LOOK TO DISSIPATE OVER THE  
EASTERN PACIFIC, BUT WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR. A MODEL AVERAGE  
SEEMS REASONABLE FOR THIS. CMC RUNS ARE ALONE IN SUPPRESSING THE  
NORTHERN SIDE OF THE NORTHERN STREAM RIDGE BY NEXT WEEKEND, SO  
PREFERRED THE GFS/EC THERE.  
 
THE WPC FORECAST FAVORED A BLEND OF THE 12/18Z GFS AND 12Z EC/CMC  
AND NAEFS MEAN EARLY IN THE PERIOD, WITH GRADUALLY INCREASING  
PROPORTIONS OF THE GEFS/EC/NAEFS MEAN AS THE PERIOD PROGRESSED TO  
REDUCE INDIVIDUAL MODEL DISCREPANCIES.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS  
 
 
SHORTWAVE ENERGY MOVING THROUGH THE INTERMOUNTAIN WEST THROUGH  
MIDWEEK WILL LEAD TO PRECIPITATION, INCLUDING POTENTIALLY HEAVY  
SNOW ACROSS THE COLORADO ROCKIES IN PARTICULAR. MOST PRECIPITATION  
SHOULD FINALLY ABATE IN THE WEST FOR THE LATTER PART OF THIS WEEK,  
ASIDE FROM LIGHT RAIN OR SNOW SHOWERS. SOME SHOWERS MAY APPROACH  
CALIFORNIA AROUND FRIDAY OR SO WITH UPPER LEVEL ENERGY COMING IN,  
BUT MOST MODELS DO NOT SHOW ANY HEAVY AMOUNTS.  
 
FARTHER EAST, AS A LOW PRESSURE/FRONTAL SYSTEM DEVELOPS IN THE  
SOUTH-CENTRAL PLAINS AND TRACKS EASTWARD/NORTHEASTWARD AS THE WEEK  
PROGRESSES, PRECIPITATION IS LIKELY FOR MUCH OF THE EASTERN HALF OF  
THE CONUS WEDNESDAY-FRIDAY. CURRENTLY THE HEAVIEST RAINFALL AXIS  
LOOKS TO BE AROUND THE MID-SOUTH/TENNESSEE VALLEY/SOUTHEAST LATE  
WEDNESDAY-THURSDAY, THOUGH WITH UNCERTAINTY IN PLACEMENT. CONTINUE  
TO HOLD OFF ON ANY ERO RISK AREAS DUE TO THE MODEL SPREAD OF THE  
TRACK/TIMING DIFFERENCES FOR LOW PRESSURE AND ASSOCIATED EFFECTS ON  
RAINFALL COVERAGE/RATES. BUT THERE COULD BE A NONZERO RISK AS  
CONVECTION RAMPS UP WEDNESDAY EVENING/NIGHT IN AN ENVIRONMENT WITH  
SOME INSTABILITY, AND THE WEST-EAST TRACK OF THE CONVECTION ALONG  
THE SURFACE LOW MAY LEAD TO SOME TRAINING OF STORMS. RAIN MAY BE  
GENERALLY HEAVIER BY THURSDAY BUT POSSIBLY MORE PROGRESSIVE AS THE  
LOW AND FRONT MOVE QUICKLY. TO THE NORTH OF THE LOW TRACK AND  
FRONTAL BOUNDARY, SNOW OR ICE MAY BE POSSIBLE, POSSIBLY IMPACTING  
TRAVEL. THE DAY 4-7 WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK INDICATES SOME LOW  
PROBABILITIES FOR SNOW GREATER THAN 0.25" LIQUID EQUIVALENT ACROSS  
PARTS OF THE MIDDLE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY WEDNESDAY, THE UPPER OHIO  
VALLEY WEDNESDAY-THURSDAY, AND THE CENTRAL/NORTHERN APPALACHIANS  
INTO NORTHERN PENNSYLVANIA AND THE INTERIOR NORTHEAST BY  
THANKSGIVING DAY AND LINGERING INTO FRIDAY. BUT THE AXIS OF SNOW  
(AND POSSIBLY ICE) WILL BE QUITE DEPENDENT ON THE UNCERTAIN SURFACE  
LOW TRACK, AND CONFIDENCE REMAINS BELOW AVERAGE REGARDING  
SPECIFICS OF PRECIPITATION COVERAGE/TYPE/AMOUNTS. CONTINUE TO  
MONITOR FORECASTS AS DETAILS BECOME BETTER REFINED OVER THE COMING  
DAYS. THEN COLD WESTERLY FLOW OVER THE GREAT LAKES SHOULD LEAD TO  
DOWNWIND SNOW NEXT WEEKEND. LOCALIZED HEAVY SNOW AMOUNTS ARE  
POSSIBLE IN THE TYPICALLY FAVORED AREAS.  
 
INCREASING COVERAGE OF BELOW NORMAL TEMPERATURES WILL BE THE TREND  
LATER THIS WEEK INTO NEXT WEEKEND WITH A SURGE OF ARCTIC AIR. THE  
NORTHERN PLAINS WILL TAKE THE BRUNT OF THE COLD AIR, WITH HIGHS IN  
THE SINGLE DIGITS AND TEENS AND LOWS BELOW 0F IN SOME AREAS,  
EQUATING TO 15-25F BELOW NORMAL. BUT COLDER TEMPERATURES SHOULD  
OVERSPREAD MUCH OF THE LOWER 48 EAST OF THE ROCKIES (IN MODERATED  
FASHION), LEADING TO BELOW NORMAL TEMPERATURES ACROSS MUCH OF THE  
PLAINS/MISSISSIPPI VALLEY THROUGH THE OHIO/TENNESSEE VALLEYS TO THE  
EASTERN SEABOARD BY THE END OF THE WEEK. THE MIDWEST TO OHIO  
VALLEY ARE FORECAST TO SEE CHILLY TEMPERATURES THAT ARE BELOW  
AVERAGE BY 10-20 DEGREES. THE COOLER AIR WILL PUSH THROUGH THE  
SOUTHERN TIER AS WELL, AFTER A WARM WEDNESDAY IN THE SOUTH-CENTRAL  
U.S. WHEN HIGHS IN THE 70S AND 80S WILL BE AROUND 10-20F ABOVE  
NORMAL, AND A WARMER THAN AVERAGE THANKSGIVING MORNING IN THE  
SOUTHEAST BEFORE THE COLD FRONTAL PASSAGE. MEANWHILE, EXPECT  
TEMPERATURES TO GRADUALLY WARM IN THE WEST, FROM A BIT BELOW NORMAL  
TO A BIT ABOVE NORMAL.  
 
TATE  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC MEDIUM  
RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST (QPF), EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK (ERO), WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK (WWO) PROBABILITIES, HEAT  
INDICES, AND KEY MESSAGES CAN BE ACCESSED FROM:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 
 
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