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FXUS02 KWBC 080713  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
213 AM EST SUN DEC 8 2024  
 
VALID 12Z WED DEC 11 2024 - 12Z SUN DEC 15 2024  
 
***HEAVY RAIN THREAT FOR THE EAST COAST CONTINUING INTO  
WEDNESDAY***  
 
   
..OVERVIEW  
 
WITH TYPICAL LOCALIZED ADJUSTMENTS, LATEST GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO  
SHOW THE POTENTIAL FOR HEAVY RAINFALL FROM THE MID-ATLANTIC INTO  
ESPECIALLY THE NORTHEAST ON WEDNESDAY, AS A DYNAMIC UPPER TROUGH  
SUPPORTS RAPIDLY DEEPENING LOW PRESSURE THAT TRACKS FROM THE MID-  
ATLANTIC NORTHWARD INTO CANADA. MEAN FLOW ACROSS THE LOWER 48 STILL  
LOOKS TO TREND MORE ZONAL BEHIND THIS SYSTEM, SO THE AMPLIFIED  
UPPER TROUGH OVER THE EAST SHOULD LIFT OUT AFTER THURSDAY WHILE  
PREDICTABILITY OF SYSTEM SPECIFICS SHOULD DECREASE LATE WEEK  
THROUGH THE WEEKEND. THE PATTERN WILL FAVOR AT LEAST A COUPLE  
EPISODES OF RAIN AND HIGHER ELEVATION SNOW ALONG PARTS OF THE WEST  
COAST, WITH LATEST GUIDANCE STARTING TO SHOW A STRONGER EASTERN  
PACIFIC SYSTEM AROUND FRIDAY-SATURDAY WHICH WOULD SUPPORT  
RELATIVELY GREATER PRECIPITATION TOTALS IN THAT TIME FRAME. BELOW  
NORMAL TEMPERATURES WILL SPREAD ACROSS THE EAST LATE THIS WEEK,  
REPLACING ABOVE NORMAL READINGS NEAR THE EAST COAST ON WEDNESDAY.  
THEN EXPECT NEAR TO ABOVE NORMAL READINGS OVER MOST OF THE COUNTRY  
BY NEXT WEEKEND, WITH WARMEST ANOMALIES OVER THE PLAINS AND  
VICINITY.  
   
..GUIDANCE/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT  
 
LATEST GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO REFINE DETAILS NEAR THE EAST COAST  
WEDNESDAY INTO THURSDAY, WITH IMPROVING CONSENSUS AS THE PAST TWO  
UKMET RUNS HAVE FINALLY JOINED THE MAJORITY CLUSTER FOR STRONGLY  
DEEPENING MID-ATLANTIC INTO EASTERN CANADA LOW PRESSURE IN RESPONSE  
TO APPROACHING VIGOROUS UPPER TROUGH DYNAMICS. DYNAMICAL/MACHINE  
LEARNING (ML) GUIDANCE ON AVERAGE SHOWS THE SURFACE LOW DEPTH  
REACHING AT LEAST AS LOW AS THE 970S MB BY EARLY THURSDAY. THERE  
HAS BEEN A SLIGHT WESTWARD NUDGE SINCE YESTERDAY, A NOD TO EARLIER  
ML RUNS THAT WERE WESTWARD. 12Z ML RUNS WERE A LITTLE MORE VARIED  
FOR LONGITUDE.  
 
UPSTREAM FEATURES CONTINUE TO BE DIFFICULT TO RESOLVE. ML MODELS  
SHOW A BIT MORE COHERENCE WITH A THURSDAY WEST COAST SHORTWAVE  
CONTINUING EASTWARD THEREAFTER, APPROACHING THE NORTHEAST OR  
VICINITY BY NEXT SUNDAY WITH VARIED DEGREES OF SURFACE REFLECTION,  
AND THEN A BETTER DEFINED EASTERN PACIFIC SYSTEM BY SATURDAY MOVING  
INTO THE WEST/HIGH PLAINS BY SUNDAY. MOST DYNAMICAL GUIDANCE IS  
SHOWING LESS OF A SURFACE REFLECTION THAN THE ML MODELS (OR AT  
LEAST SLOWER, HOLDING ONTO STRONGER EASTERN U.S. HIGH PRESSURE)  
WITH THE LEADING SHORTWAVE. THE DYNAMICAL AND ML MODELS ARE  
GRADUALLY SHOWING AN IMPROVED SIGNAL FOR WHAT COULD BE A FAIRLY  
STRONG EASTERN PACIFIC SYSTEM AROUND FRIDAY-SATURDAY. ML MODELS ARE  
GENERALLY MORE AGREEABLE WITH BRINGING A MODERATELY AMPLIFIED UPPER  
TROUGH INTO THE WEST BY NEXT SUNDAY, WHILE DYNAMICAL GUIDANCE  
VARIES--ALBEIT WITH THE MEANS AT LEAST SUGGESTING SOME TROUGHING.  
 
THE UPDATED FORECAST STARTED WITH A COMPOSITE OF 12Z/18Z  
OPERATIONAL MODELS, AND THEN TRANSITIONED TOWARD A BLEND OF THE 18Z  
GFS, PAST TWO ECMWF RUNS, AND 18Z GEFS/12Z ECENS-CMCENS MEANS AS  
THOSE SOLUTIONS PROVIDED THE MOST COHERENT EVOLUTION WHEN COMPARED  
TO EACH OTHER AND ML MODELS.  
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS  
 
 
EXPECT ELONGATED LOW PRESSURE TO REACH THE MID-ATLANTIC/NEW YORK  
STATE REGION BY EARLY WEDNESDAY. STRONG UPPER DYNAMICS BECOMING  
NEGATIVELY TILTED WILL SUPPORT DEEPENING/CONSOLIDATION OF THIS  
SYSTEM INTO THE NORTHEAST BY LATE WEDNESDAY FOLLOWED BY CONTINUED  
STRENGTHENING AS IT CONTINUES NORTH INTO CANADA INTO EARLY  
THURSDAY. ACCOMPANYING THIS STRONG DEVELOPMENT, GUIDANCE STILL  
SHOWS A PRONOUNCED SURGE OF MOISTURE INTO THE NORTHEAST, WITH  
PRECIPITABLE WATER VALUES REACHING 3+ STANDARD DEVIATIONS ABOVE  
NORMAL FOR A TIME, SUPPORTING A BROAD AREA OF HEAVY RAINFALL. SNOW  
COVER OR WET GROUND WILL LEAD TO INCREASED SENSITIVITY OVER THE  
NORTHEAST WHILE PERSISTENCE OF MODEL GUIDANCE AND STRENGTHENING  
SIGNALS FROM FIRST-GUESS FIELDS ADD TO THE CONFIDENCE IN THE  
POTENTIAL FOR RUNOFF ISSUES. THUS THE DAY 4 EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK MAINTAINS A SLIGHT RISK AREA COVERING MUCH OF NEW ENGLAND  
WHILE A SURROUNDING MARGINAL RISK AREA EXTENDS SOUTHWARD TO THE  
SOUTHERN MID-ATLANTIC WHERE SOME INSTABILITY COULD ENHANCE RAINFALL  
TOTALS. THE FIRST-GUESS FIELDS ACTUALLY SUGGEST POTENTIAL FOR SOME  
EMBEDDED PROBABILITIES AT LEAST IN THE HIGHER HALF OF THE SLIGHT  
RANGE OVER NEW ENGLAND, SO THIS WILL MERIT CONTINUED MONITORING.  
BOTH RISK AREAS HAVE BEEN EXPANDED A LITTLE WESTWARD FROM  
CONTINUITY TO CORRESPOND WITH LATEST GUIDANCE TRENDS. MEANWHILE,  
THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE PRECIPITATION SHIELD MAY CONTAIN SOME SNOW  
AND THE DEEPENING STORM MAY PRODUCE A PERIOD OF BRISK TO STRONG  
WINDS IN ITS WAKE. ALSO EXPECT THE COLD AIR ARRIVING BEHIND THIS  
SYSTEM TO PRODUCE ANOTHER EPISODE OF LAKE EFFECT SNOW DURING  
WEDNESDAY-THURSDAY.  
 
THE FORECAST PATTERN FROM THE PACIFIC INTO THE WEST WILL FAVOR AT  
LEAST A COUPLE EPISODES OF RAIN AND HIGHER ELEVATION SNOW OVER THE  
PACIFIC NORTHWEST, POSSIBLY EXTENDING INTO PARTS OF CALIFORNIA. THE  
PROGRESSIVE NATURE OF THE MEAN FLOW CONTINUES TO TEMPER CONFIDENCE  
IN SOME DETAILS, THOUGH GUIDANCE IS STARTING TO CLUSTER AROUND THE  
IDEA OF A FAIRLY STRONG EASTERN PACIFIC SYSTEM HELPING TO PRODUCE  
THE HIGHEST TOTALS OF THE PERIOD AND GREATEST SOUTHWARD EXTENT OF  
PRECIPITATION AROUND FRIDAY-SATURDAY. THIS STORM COULD PRODUCE  
AREAS OF BRISK TO STRONG WINDS DEPENDING ON ITS DEPTH AND TRACK.  
SOME MOISTURE MAY EXTEND INTO THE ROCKIES, WHILE LEADING SHORTWAVE  
ENERGY/SURFACE FEATURE(S) MAY PRODUCE AREAS OF LIGHT PRECIPITATION  
OVER PARTS OF THE CENTRAL/EAST-CENTRAL U.S.  
 
THE AMPLIFIED PATTERN OVER THE EAST WILL LEAD TO ABOVE NORMAL  
TEMPERATURES NEAR THE ATLANTIC COAST ON WEDNESDAY WHILE TRAILING  
COLD FROM THE UPPER MIDWEST INTO THE SOUTH PUSHES EASTWARD INTO  
LATE WEEK. COLDEST ANOMALIES SHOULD BE FROM THE UPPER MIDWEST INTO  
GREAT LAKES/OHIO VALLEY WEDNESDAY-THURSDAY, AT LEAST 10-20F BELOW  
NORMAL. THE TRANSITION TOWARD FLATTER MEAN FLOW ALOFT WILL  
LEAD TO A WARMING TREND OVER THE ROCKIES AND PLAINS LATE THIS  
WEEK WITH ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES (SOME POCKETS OF PLUS 10F OR  
GREATER ANOMALIES) PERSISTING THROUGH THE WEEKEND. THE EAST WILL  
TREND CLOSER TO NORMAL BY NEXT WEEKEND.  
 
RAUSCH  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC MEDIUM  
RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST (QPF), EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK (ERO), WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK (WWO) PROBABILITIES, HEAT  
INDICES, AND KEY MESSAGES CAN BE ACCESSED FROM:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 
 
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