869  
FXUS02 KWBC 111913  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
213 PM EST WED DEC 11 2024  
 
VALID 12Z SAT DEC 14 2024 - 12Z WED DEC 18 2024  
 
...ATMOSPHERIC RIVER COULD CAUSE HEAVY RAIN AND SNOW IN THE WEST  
COAST/NORTHWEST BY THIS WEEKEND...  
   
..OVERVIEW  
 
MOST GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO SHOW A SEQUENCE OF SHORTWAVES  
APPROXIMATELY 2-3 DAYS APART FROM THE PACIFIC THROUGH THE LOWER 48  
FROM THE WEEKEND INTO THE FIRST HALF OF NEXT WEEK. THE CHARACTER OF  
THE PATTERN MAY BEGIN TO CHANGE TOWARD THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK AS  
THE LAST SHORTWAVE OF THE SERIES REACHES THE WESTERN-CENTRAL U.S.,  
WITH LARGER SCALE RIDGING POTENTIALLY BUILDING INTO THE WEST COAST.  
EACH SHORTWAVE'S ASSOCIATED SURFACE SYSTEM SHOULD PRODUCE EPISODES  
OF RAIN AND HIGHER ELEVATION SNOW OVER PORTIONS OF THE WEST AND  
THEN DEVELOPMENT OF PRECIPITATION OVER THE SOUTHERN PLAINS AND  
EXPANDING ACROSS THE EAST-CENTRAL U.S. THEN CONTINUING INTO  
PORTIONS OF THE EAST. GUIDANCE FINALLY AGREES BETTER FOR THE  
SYSTEM APPROACHING THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST BY EARLY SATURDAY BUT  
THERE ARE OTHER ASPECTS OF THE FORECAST THAT STILL SHOW A FAIR  
AMOUNT OF SPREAD. THE FORECAST PATTERN WILL LEAD TO MOSTLY NEAR OR  
ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES DURING THE PERIOD, WITH ONLY LOCALIZED  
AREAS OF BELOW NORMAL READINGS.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT  
 
AT THE START OF THE FORECAST PERIOD SATURDAY, TROUGHING WITH  
EMBEDDED VORT MAXES OVER THE EASTERN PACIFIC AND A  
SHORTWAVE/EMBEDDED UPPER LOW ATOP THE CENTRAL PLAINS ARE BOTH  
REASONABLY AGREEABLE IN THE MODEL GUIDANCE. THE FORMER WILL SUPPORT  
A DEEP SURFACE LOW IN THE EASTERN PACIFIC TOWARD VANCOUVER ISLAND,  
GENERALLY WITHIN THE 970S-980S MB EARLY SATURDAY AND THE NEWER 12Z  
MODELS ARE IN EVEN BETTER AGREEMENT WITH PLACEMENT. AS THAT  
WESTERN TROUGH CONTINUES EASTWARD/INLAND, THE 00Z ECMWF BECOMES A  
SLOW OUTLIER EVEN BY SUNDAY COMPARED TO THE PREPONDERANCE OF OTHER  
GUIDANCE INCLUDING THE EC-BASED AI/ML MODELS. THE 12Z EC IS NOW  
MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE CONSENSUS. TROUGHING IS FORECAST TO  
CONTINUE INTO THE CENTRAL U.S. MONDAY AND LIFT AS IT PUSHES INTO  
THE NORTHEAST. THERE IS SOME TIMING SPREAD WITH THIS (00Z GFS  
FASTER, 00Z ECMWF SLOWER, AND THE 06Z GFS IN BETWEEN), AND  
DIFFERENCES IN THE ORIENTATION OF THE TROUGH/POSSIBLE UPPER LOW AND  
HOW THAT AFFECTS THE ASSOCIATED SURFACE LOW(S) IN THE GREAT LAKES  
AND/OR FARTHER NORTH IN CANADA.  
 
MEANWHILE, THE AFOREMENTIONED UPPER LOW OVER THE CENTRAL U.S. IS  
MOSTLY AGREEABLE THOUGH THE 00Z ECMWF REMAINED FARTHER SOUTH THAN  
OTHER GUIDANCE. THEN THERE IS ANOTHER ROUND OF TROUGHING PUSHING  
ACROSS THE EASTERN PACIFIC EARLY NEXT WEEK AND INTO THE  
WESTERN/CENTRAL U.S. TUESDAY-WEDNESDAY. THE 00Z CMC IS SLOW WITH  
THIS EVEN IN THE PACIFIC, AND THE 00Z EC ENDS UP SEPARATING A  
SOUTHERN STREAM LOW INTO THE SOUTHWEST UNLIKE GUIDANCE CONSENSUS.  
THE GFS RUNS AND AI MODELS ARE MORE AGREEABLE WITH THE ENSEMBLE  
MEANS IN A MORE PHASED TROUGH MAKING IT TO THE PLAINS BY WEDNESDAY.  
DOWNSTREAM, THIS LEADS TO THE ECMWF SHOWING TROUGHING IN THE EAST  
BY MIDWEEK WHEREAS RIDGING TO THE EAST OF THE TROUGH IS MORE  
FAVORED.  
 
THE WPC FORECAST FAVORED THE 00Z/06Z GFS IN TERMS OF DETERMINISTIC  
RUNS GIVEN THE AFOREMENTIONED ISSUES WITH THE ECMWF AND CMC.  
INCREASED THE PROPORTION OF THE GEFS AND EC ENSEMBLE MEANS AS THE  
PERIOD PROGRESSED TO OVER HALF BY DAY 6-7 THOUGH AS MODEL SPREAD  
INCREASED IN GENERAL.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS  
 
 
THE STORM LIKELY NEARING THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST BY EARLY SATURDAY  
WILL BRING THE POTENTIAL FOR AREAS OF SIGNIFICANT RAIN AND HIGHER  
ELEVATION SNOW TO LOCATIONS ALONG THE CENTRAL AND NORTHERN WEST  
COAST. BRISK TO STRONG WINDS MAY BE POSSIBLE AT LEAST OFFSHORE.  
GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO INDICATE A FAIRLY PROGRESSIVE TRACK OF THE  
ATMOSPHERIC RIVER, BUT RAIN RATES AND TOTALS COULD BE HIGH ENOUGH  
TO SUPPORT LOCALIZED FLOODING. A MARGINAL RISK REMAINS IN PLACE FOR  
DAY 4/SATURDAY. MINOR ADJUSTMENTS FROM CONTINUITY WERE TO MODIFY  
THE RISK AREA OUT OF SOUTHWESTERN OREGON WHILE EXPANDING TO THE  
SOUTH TOWARD THE BAY AREA DUE TO THE FASTER PROGRESSION OF THE AR.  
SOME MOISTURE SHOULD CONTINUE ACROSS THE WEST OVER THE WEEKEND AND  
HEAVY SNOW IS POSSIBLE IN THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS OF THE CASCADES,  
SIERRA NEVADA, AND NORTHERN ROCKIES. ANOTHER ROUND OF PRECIPITATION  
IS LIKELY TO COME INTO THE WEST EARLY NEXT WEEK.  
 
A SHORTWAVE WITH AN EMBEDDED UPPER LOW SHOULD TRACK THROUGH THE  
MIDWEST AND GREAT LAKES/OHIO VALLEY DURING THE WEEKEND. THIS  
FEATURE AND ASSOCIATED SURFACE WAVE/FRONTAL SYSTEM SHOULD SPREAD  
PRECIPITATION FROM THE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY EASTWARD, POSSIBLY  
INCLUDING SOME AREAS BACK INTO EASTERN TEXAS AS WELL. MULTI-DAY  
TRENDS HAVE BEEN FAVORING SOMEWHAT HIGHER RAINFALL TOTALS WITHIN AN  
AXIS FROM EASTERN TEXAS INTO THE OHIO VALLEY ON SATURDAY, BUT  
CONSENSUS OF GUIDANCE STILL INDICATES THAT SYSTEM PROGRESSION AND  
RELATIVE LACK OF INSTABILITY SHOULD KEEP RAIN RATES BELOW EXCESSIVE  
THRESHOLDS. MOST OF THIS REGION HAS NEUTRAL TO DRY GROUND  
CONDITIONS AS WELL. MODEST TO PERHAPS LOCALLY HEAVY RAIN PROGRESSES  
INTO THE MID-ATLANTIC SUNDAY. PARTS OF THE UPPER MIDWEST INTO  
NORTHEAST COULD SEE SOME WINTRY PRECIPITATION AT TIMES AS THE  
MOISTURE SHIELD PROGRESSES EASTWARD. PROBABILITIES FOR 0.25 INCH  
LIQUID IN THE FORM OF SNOW REMAIN BELOW 30 PERCENT IN MOST AREAS,  
EXCEPT WITH HIGHER PROBABILITIES IN THE ADIRONDACKS. THEN INTO THE  
WORKWEEK, ANOTHER ROUND OF PRECIPITATION IS LIKELY TO DEVELOP IN  
THE CENTRAL AND EASTERN U.S. AS ANOTHER LOW PRESSURE/FRONTAL SYSTEM  
PULLS IN MOISTURE. THIS CURRENTLY LOOKS TO BE A WARMER SYSTEM  
PRODUCING MOSTLY RAIN, THOUGH WINTRY WEATHER MAY BE POSSIBLE IN THE  
FAR NORTHERN TIER. THERE MAY BE MORE INSTABILITY WITH THIS SYSTEM  
AS WELL, FOR HIGHER RAINFALL RATES AND TOTALS COMPARED TO  
SATURDAY'S SYSTEM. THOUGH THIS IS CURRENTLY OUT OF THE ERO  
TIMEFRAME, FLOODING POTENTIAL WILL HAVE TO BE MONITORED IN FUTURE  
FORECASTS.  
 
MUCH OF THE LOWER 48 SHOULD SEE NEAR TO ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES  
DURING THE PERIOD, WITH THE WARMEST ANOMALIES FOR HIGHS (10-15F  
ABOVE NORMAL) FORECAST TO BE OVER THE CENTRAL/EAST-CENTRAL U.S.  
SUNDAY-MONDAY AND NEAR THE EAST COAST BY TUESDAY AHEAD OF A COUPLE  
COLD FRONTS. SOME DAYS COULD FEATURE SOME POCKETS OF MORNING LOWS  
UP TO 15-20F ABOVE NORMAL. LOCALIZED AREAS WITH SLIGHTLY BELOW  
NORMAL HIGHS SHOULD INCLUDE SOME AREAS NEAR THE EAST COAST ON  
SATURDAY, THE CENTRAL WEST COAST FROM THE WEEKEND INTO MONDAY, AND  
THE FAR NORTHERN TIER TUESDAY-WEDNESDAY.  
 
TATE/RAUSCH  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC MEDIUM  
RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST (QPF), EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK (ERO), WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK (WWO) PROBABILITIES, HEAT  
INDICES, AND KEY MESSAGES CAN BE ACCESSED FROM:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 
 
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