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FXUS02 KWBC 251857  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
157 PM EST WED DEC 25 2024  
 
VALID 12Z SAT DEC 28 2024 - 12Z WED JAN 01 2025  
 
...UNSETTLED WEATHER FOR THE WEST COAST WITH PERIODS OF HEAVY RAIN  
AND HIGH ELEVATION MOUNTAIN SNOW...  
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
 
GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO SHOW A LARGE SCALE PATTERN THAT FEATURES A  
RAPID SUCCESSION OF PACIFIC SYSTEMS MOVING INTO/THROUGH THE WEST  
AND FEEDING INTO A MEAN UPPER TROUGH OF MODERATE DEPTH ALIGNED  
NEAR THE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY. A LEADING UPPER RIDGE INITIALLY NEAR  
THE EAST COAST WILL DRIFT INTO THE WESTERN ATLANTIC. THIS PATTERN  
WILL LEAD TO AREAS OF HEAVY PRECIPITATION ALONG THE NORTHERN-  
CENTRAL WEST COAST THROUGH THE WEEKEND AND SNOW OVER THE NORTHERN  
HALF OR SO OF THE ROCKIES, ALONG WITH SOME AREAS OF STRONG WINDS.  
AFTER A BRIEF LULL, PRECIPITATION SHOULD REBOUND AGAIN OVER THE  
PACIFIC NORTHWEST TOWARD MIDWEEK. IN ADDITION A COUPLE SYSTEMS  
SHOULD SPREAD PRECIPITATION (MOSTLY RAIN) ACROSS THE EASTERN HALF  
OF THE COUNTRY. SOME OF THIS ACTIVITY MAY BE ON THE HEAVY SIDE.  
EXPECT MOST OF THE LOWER 48 TO SEE WELL ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES  
FROM THE WEEKEND INTO EARLY MONDAY, FOLLOWED BY A RAPID WEST-TO-  
EAST PROGRESSION OF NEAR OR SLIGHTLY BELOW NORMAL HIGHS.  
   
..GUIDANCE/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
THE LATEST MODELS AND ENSEMBLE MEANS AGREE WELL FOR MOST ASPECTS OF  
THE OVERALL PATTERN BUT THERE ARE PERSISTENT AND IMPORTANT DETAIL  
DIFFERENCES, ESPECIALLY AFFECTING SYSTEM EVOLUTION OVER THE  
EASTERN U.S. FROM THE WEEKEND INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK AND FOR THE  
SECOND SYSTEM OVER THE EAST BY TUESDAY-WEDNESDAY.  
 
LOOKING AT INDIVIDUAL SYSTEMS IN SEQUENCE, THE 00Z CMC WAS A SLOW  
EXTREME WITH THE LEADING WAVE FORECAST TO REACH THE UPPER MIDWEST  
BY EARLY SATURDAY. THE NEW RUN HAS ADJUSTED FASTER TOWARD  
CONSENSUS. THEN GUIDANCE DIVERGES FOR THE EXACT CHARACTER OF THE  
NEXT SHORTWAVE REACHING THE PLAINS SATURDAY AND LIFTING  
NORTHEASTWARD THEREAFTER. ECMWF RUNS HAVE BEEN ON THE SHARPER AND  
SLOWER SIDE AMONG THE OPERATIONAL MODELS, ULTIMATELY LEADING TO A  
STRONGER DEEP-LAYER GRADIENT FEEDING MOISTURE INTO THE MID-  
ATLANTIC AND NORTHEAST. HOWEVER THE GFS RUNS AND GEFS/ECENS MEANS  
FIT INTO THE GENERAL IDEA OF A NEGATIVELY TILTED SHORTWAVE, AND  
MOST OF THE 00Z MACHINE LEARNING (ML) MODELS SHOWED A SHARP  
SHORTWAVE LIKE THE ECMWF. CMC/UKMET RUNS CONTINUE TO BE MORE  
ROUNDED WITH THE OVERALL TROUGH INTO THE 12Z CYCLE BUT THE GFS HAS  
NUDGED A BIT IN THE ECMWF DIRECTION AND THE 12Z ICON MADE A  
PRONOUNCED SHIFT TO THE ECMWF SCENARIO. ONE OTHER DETAIL OF NOTE IS  
THAT BY EARLY MONDAY THE ML MODELS FAVORED THE SURFACE SYSTEM'S  
PARENT LOW TRACKING INTO OR NEAR ONTARIO WHILE A TRIPLE POINT WAVE  
REACHES THE MID- ATLANTIC. ECMWF RUNS TRACKED THE PARENT LOW A  
LITTLE FARTHER SOUTH BUT THE NEW 12Z VERSION HAS TRENDED IN THE ML  
MODEL DIRECTION.  
 
THE NEXT SIGNIFICANT SYSTEM IN THE SERIES REACHES THE WEST COAST BY  
EARLY SUNDAY (WITH A SOMEWHAT ELONGATED AREA OF SURFACE LOW  
PRESSURE), WITH THE 00Z CMC ALREADY ON THE SLOW SIDE AT THAT TIME.  
THEREAFTER AN AVERAGE AMONG THE GFS/ECMWF AND THE ENSEMBLE MEANS  
HAS HELD UP RATHER WELL FOR TIMING OVER THE PAST DAY OR SO.  
MEANWHILE THE NEW 12Z CMC COMPARES A LOT BETTER WITH THIS CLUSTER  
VERSUS THE SLOW 00Z RUN. BY EARLY TUESDAY THERE IS CONTINUED NORTH-  
SOUTH SPREAD, RANGING FROM THE OHIO VALLEY TO TENNESSEE VALLEY  
(GFS LEANING NORTH, ECMWF LEANING SOUTH). THEN THE SYSTEM REACHES  
THE EASTERN GREAT LAKES/NORTHEAST BY WEDNESDAY, WITH GUIDANCE SPLIT  
REGARDING INLAND OR COASTAL SURFACE LOW DOMINANCE. DURING THE  
TUESDAY-WEDNESDAY TIME FRAME THE ML MODELS ARE NOTICEABLY WEAKER  
WITH THIS SYSTEM VERSUS THE DYNAMICAL GUIDANCE. THERE HAVE BEEN AT  
LEAST A COUPLE CASES OF A WEAK/SUPPRESSED BIAS IN THE ML MODELS FOR  
WAVES NEAR THE EAST COAST, SO PREFERENCE SIDES WITH THE DYNAMICAL  
CLUSTER FOR THE TIME BEING.  
 
THE NEXT POTENTIAL SHORTWAVE REACHING THE WEST BY MONDAY-TUESDAY IS  
WEAKER THAN ITS PREDECESSORS, WITH GFS/GEFS RUNS TENDING TO BE MOST  
ENTHUSIASTIC FOR ITS STRENGTH OVER THE SOUTHWEST AND BEYOND. ML  
MODELS HAVE BEEN MIXED BUT LATEST RUNS FAVOR LEANING TOWARD A MORE  
SUBDUED PRESENTATION OF THIS FEATURE. YET ANOTHER SYSTEM OR TWO  
SHOULD REACH OR APPROACH THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST BY TUESDAY-  
WEDNESDAY, WITH TYPICAL DETAIL/TIMING DIFFERENCES.  
 
GUIDANCE PREFERENCES LED TO AN EARLY PERIOD BLEND CONSISTING OF 60  
PERCENT ECMWF (SPLIT BETWEEN THE 00Z/25 AND 12Z/24 RUNS) AND 40  
PERCENT GFS (00Z/06Z). THEN THE FORECAST STARTED INCLUDING ENSEMBLE  
MEANS, MORE 00Z ECENS RELATIVE TO 06Z GEFS, WITH TOTAL ENSEMBLE  
WEIGHT REACHING 40 PERCENT BY NEXT WEDNESDAY.  
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
MULTIPLE ROUNDS OF MODERATE TO HEAVY RAINFALL WILL LIKELY IMPACT  
THE WEST COAST THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THIS WEEK AND INTO THE  
WEEKEND AS MULTIPLE FRONTAL SYSTEMS APPROACH THE COAST, WITH THE  
SIGNAL FOR HEAVY RAINFALL BECOMING STRONGEST ON SATURDAY  
CONCENTRATING MORE NEAR THE CALIFORNIA/OREGON BORDER WITH TIME.  
FLOODING WILL BE POSSIBLE IN RIVERS AND STREAMS, WITH MORE FLASHY  
RESPONSES POSSIBLE WHERE BURN SCARS EXIST AND POSSIBLY NEAR THE  
STEEP TERRAIN OF THE COASTAL MOUNTAIN RANGES AND INTO THE FOOTHILLS  
OF THE CASCADES. THE COMBINATION OF RAINFALL EXPECTED THROUGH  
FRIDAY NIGHT AND A MORE CONCENTRATED HEAVY QPF SIGNAL IN SOME  
GUIDANCE FOCUSED OVER FAR SOUTHWEST OREGON AND FAR NORTHWEST  
CALIFORNIA ON SATURDAY CONTINUES TO FAVOR A SLIGHT RISK AREA OVER  
THAT REGION IN THE DAY 4/SATURDAY EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK. WHILE  
QPF IS LESS THE FOLLOWING DAY, INCREASED SENSITIVITY DUE TO PRIOR  
RAINFALL SUPPORTS MAINTAINING THE DAY 5/SUNDAY MARGINAL RISK FOR  
WESTERN OREGON AND NORTHWEST CALIFORNIA AS INTRODUCED IN THE  
PREVIOUS CYCLE.  
 
MOISTURE SPREADING INLAND ACROSS THE WEST WILL LIKELY PRODUCE  
HEAVY SNOW OVER THE HIGHER/HIGHEST TERRAIN OF THE CASCADES AND  
ROCKIES, AS WELL AS PORTIONS OF THE SIERRA NEVADA. EXPECT THE HEAVY  
SNOW POTENTIAL TO CONTINUE THROUGH SUNDAY. PRECIPITATION OVER THE  
PACIFIC NORTHWEST SHOULD TREND LIGHTER EARLY NEXT WEEK, WITH  
ROCKIES SNOW TAPERING OFF BY MONDAY OR TUESDAY. TIGHT PRESSURE  
GRADIENTS MAY RESULT IN SOME PERIODICALLY GUSTY WINDS FOR SOME  
LOCATIONS OVER THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST, INTERIOR WEST, PLUS THE  
NORTHERN/CENTRAL ROCKIES AND HIGH PLAINS. PRECIPITATION SHOULD  
TREND LIGHTER OVER THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST AROUND MONDAY INTO TUESDAY  
BUT THEN INCREASE AGAIN LATE TUESDAY/TUESDAY NIGHT THROUGH  
WEDNESDAY.  
 
DOWNSTREAM, MULTIPLE FRONTAL SYSTEMS WILL BRING RAIN AND  
THUNDERSTORM CHANCES TO THE EASTERN HALF OF THE COUNTRY. SOME  
MODERATE TO HEAVY RAINFALL WILL BE POSSIBLE WITHIN A GENERAL AREA  
FROM THE LOWER HALF OF THE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY INTO THE MID-ATLANTIC  
AND NORTHEAST. THE WETNESS OF THE SOME MOST RECENT GUIDANCE IN AND  
NEAR TENNESSEE AND THE SOUTHERNMOST APPALACHIANS SHOWING LOCAL  
AMOUNTS IN THE 3-5" RANGE LED TO THE INTRODUCTION OF A DAY  
4/SATURDAY MARGINAL RISK AREA. HEAVIEST RAINFALL SHIFTS INTO THE  
VICINITY OF PENNSYLVANIA AND NEW YORK STATE ON DAY 5/SUNDAY WITH A  
MARGINAL RISK AREA AGAIN DEPICTED. ACROSS NORTHERN AREAS, FROZEN  
GROUND/SNOW COVER WILL LEAD TO ADDED SENSITIVITY. THERE IS STILL A  
FAIR AMOUNT OF UNCERTAINTY OVER RAINFALL SPECIFICS, BUT THE OVERALL  
PATTERN FAVORING A PERIOD OF ATLANTIC INFLOW SUGGESTS POTENTIAL  
FOR SIGNIFICANT TOTALS. THE NEXT SYSTEM MAY BRING A BAND OF  
RAIN/SNOW TO THE NORTH-CENTRAL PLAINS EARLY IN THE WEEK AND THEN  
SPREAD ANOTHER AREA OF PRECIPITATION ACROSS THE EAST TUESDAY-  
WEDNESDAY. AS WITH THE LEADING SYSTEM, WINTRY WEATHER SHOULD BE  
CONFINED FAIRLY FAR NORTHWARD. HOWEVER THE EXTENT OF SNOW/ICE OVER  
THE NORTHEAST AROUND MIDWEEK WILL BE SENSITIVE TO SURFACE LOW TRACK  
DETAILS THAT WILL TAKE MORE TIME TO BE RESOLVED.  
 
ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES WILL PREVAIL OVER MUCH OF THE COUNTRY  
DURING THE WEEKEND AND INTO EARLY MONDAY. THE WARMEST ANOMALIES OF  
PLUS 20F OR GREATER WILL LIKELY BE FOR MORNING LOWS FROM THE UPPER  
MIDWEST INTO THE SOUTH/SOUTHEAST DURING THE WEEKEND, POSSIBLY  
CHALLENGING DAILY RECORDS FOR WARM LOWS IN SOME AREAS. WARMEST MIN  
TEMPERATURE ANOMALIES SHOULD BE MORE CONFINED TO THE UPPER  
MISSISSIPPI VALLEY TO NEW ENGLAND EARLY NEXT WEEK. ALSO THE  
SOUTHERN PLAINS COULD SEE TEMPERATURES REACH 15-25F ABOVE NORMAL  
ON MONDAY IN THE WARM SECTOR OF A SYSTEM TRACKING BY TO THE NORTH.  
NEAR TO SLIGHTLY BELOW NORMAL HIGH TEMPERATURES SHOULD SPREAD  
ACROSS THE WEST INTO THE NORTHERN PLAINS ON MONDAY, EXPANDING  
THROUGH THE REST OF THE PLAINS AND INTO EAST-CENTRAL U.S. TUESDAY-  
WEDNESDAY.  
 
RAUSCH/ROTH  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC MEDIUM  
RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST (QPF), EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK (ERO), WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK (WWO) PROBABILITIES, HEAT  
INDICES, AND KEY MESSAGES CAN BE ACCESSED FROM:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 
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