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FXUS10 KWNH 191839  
PMDHMD  
MODEL DIAGNOSTIC DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
238 PM EDT SAT OCT 19 2019  
 
VALID OCT 19/1200 UTC THRU OCT 23/0000 UTC  
 
...SEE NOUS42 KWNO (ADMNFD) FOR THE STATUS OF THE UPPER AIR  
INGEST...  
 
12Z MODEL EVALUATION WITH PREFERENCES AND CONFIDENCE  
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NORTHERN STREAM SHORTWAVES CROSSING THE THE WEST  
EJECTING/DEEPENING INTO THE PLAINS AND EVENTUALLY INTO THE GREAT  
LAKES...  
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PREFERENCE: NON-CMC BLEND  
WEIGHTING TOWARD GEFS/ECENS/UKMET AFTER 22.00Z  
CONFIDENCE: SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE THRU 22.00Z; AVERAGE AFTER  
 
19Z UPDATE: THE 12Z UKMET TRENDED QUITE SIMILAR TO THE 06Z/12Z  
GEFS AND 00Z ECENS MEAN, MAKING IT A SOLID REPRESENTATIVE TO THE  
CURRENT THINKING. THE 12Z CMC CONTINUES TO BE THE SLOWEST AND  
WELL OUTSIDE OF THE GENERAL OVERALL CONSENSUS TO SUGGEST THE  
INITIAL PREFERENCE REMAINS SOLID. THE 12Z ECMWF, THOUGH MUCH LIKE  
THE 12Z NAM HAS THE KICKER SHORTWAVE ENTERING THE BASE OF THE TROF  
AND STRENGTHENING THE TRIPLE POINT LOW LIFTING THROUGH THE MS  
VALLEY MONDAY, BUT AS IT REACHES THE INNER CORE OF THE UPPER LOW,  
THE INTERNAL BINARY INTERACTION; THE NAM SWINGS THE CORE NORTH,  
WHILE THE ECMWF SWINGS IT BACK WEST AND THEN SOUTH, WITH A SURFACE  
REFLECTION WELL SOUTH OF THE INITIAL PREFERENCE (ALONG WITH MAKING  
IT DEEPER). THE OVERALL MID TO UPPER LEVEL MASS FIELDS LOOK SOLID  
BUT THIS DIFFERENCE IN THE SURFACE FIELD AFTER 22.00Z MAKES IT  
HARD TO BLEND IT WITH THE REMAINING GUIDANCE. AT THIS POINT,  
WILL PREFER TO SHIFT MORE TO A GEFS/ECENS AND UKMET  
FOCUS/WEIGHTING IN A NON-CMC BLEND. CONFIDENCE REMAINS AVERAGE  
AFTER 22.00Z.  
 
---PRIOR DISCUSSION---  
THE LEAD HEIGHT-FALLS THAT STARTED THE PATTERN CHANGE, CONTINUES  
TO WEAKEN AND SPLIT WITH THE NORTHERN STREAM SHORTWAVE/SURFACE LOW  
WELL INTO CANADA WITH A SHARP BUT THINNING FRONTAL ZONE  
PROGRESSING ACROSS THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER VALLEY TODAY WHILE THE  
SOUTHERN STREAM VORT CENTER AND CONTINUES TO FADE BUT ALSO KICK  
THE EXTRATROPICAL CIRCULATION OF NESTOR EASTWARD. THE OVERALL  
PATTERN FOR THIS WAVE CONTINUES TO BE SOLID WITH NO DISAGREEMENT  
TO FAVOR A GENERAL MODEL BLEND FOR IT.  
 
THE NEXT MORE POTENT WAVE HAS ENTERED THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST AS THE  
LEFT EXIT TO THE BROAD BUT STRONG 150+KT 250MB JET. THIS WAVE  
WILL CONTINUE AMPLIFY INTO THE WYOMING ROCKIES, WHERE ALONG WITH  
VORTICAL STRETCHING COMING OUT OF TERRAIN FINDS FAVORABLE UPPER  
LEVEL DIFFLUENCE TO RAPIDLY DEVELOP A SURFACE WAVE LATER TODAY  
INTO SUNDAY MORNING. THERE HAS BEEN A GENERAL TREND TOWARD A  
NORTHERN SHIFT, WHICH HAS BEEN HELD BEST BY THE GFS/GEFS, NAM AND  
UKMET; HOWEVER, THE 00Z ECMWF HAS TRENDED NORTH AS WELL AND WHILE  
STILL A BIT SLOWER THAN THE GFS/NAM AND LESS SO THE 00Z UKMET,  
THERE IS GROWING CONSENSUS AND THEREFORE CONFIDENCE IN THIS SHIFT.  
THE GFS REMAINS FASTER AND NORTH THAN THE GEFS MEAN BUT HAD  
TRENDED A BIT WEAKER OVERALL TOO. THE ECMWF REMAINS SLIGHTLY  
SLOWER AND SOUTH OF THE ECENS MEAN WITH BOTH THE GEFS/ECENS  
SHOWING STRONG AGREEMENT AT LEAST INITIALLY THROUGH THE DAKOTAS  
INTO THE NORTHERN MS VALLEY. MUCH LIKE THE LAST FEW CYCLES THE  
OPERATIONAL ECMWF SHOWS GREATER DEPARTURE FROM ITS MEAN THAN THE  
GFS AND ITS MEAN. THE 12Z NAM, SHOWING A STRONGER SECONDARY VORT  
CENTER ROTATING OUT OF THE CO ROCKIES, SUGGESTS A STRONGER TRIPLE  
POINT LOW MOVING NORTH THROUGH INTO THE UPPER MIDWEST BY MONDAY,  
THIS LOOKS LIKE TYPICAL DAY 3 OVER AMPLIFICATION AND SO WOULD  
FAVOR LOWER WEIGHTING OF THE NAM BY DAY 3 IN THE BLEND. THE CMC  
IS VERY SLOW THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS AND IS A CLEAR OUTLIER AT THIS  
POINT, SO A NON-CMC BLEND IS FAVORED THROUGHOUT THE FORECAST  
PERIOD AND WILL FAVOR THE MASS FIELDS CENTERED NEAR A GEFS/ECENS  
MEAN, WHICH CAN BE AFFORDED BY THIS NON-CMC BLEND UNTIL 22.00Z,  
WHEN THE NAM IS TO BE WEIGHTED OUT OF THE PREFERENCE AS WELL.  
CONFIDENCE IS SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE THROUGH 22.00Z AND THEN  
AVERAGE THEREAFTER.  
 
THIRD FAST MOVING SHORTWAVE ENTERING NORTHERN US ROCKIES/MT HIGH  
PLAINS LATE TUESDAY  
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PREFERENCE: GENERAL MODEL BLEND  
CONFIDENCE: AVERAGE TO SLIGHTLY BELOW AVERAGE  
 
19Z UPDATE: THE 12Z CMC SLOWED A BIT, WHILE THE 12Z ECMWF SPED UP;  
BOTH MATCHING EACH OTHER BUT STILL A BIT SLOWER THAN THE INITIAL  
PREFERENCE AND 12Z GFS/NAM AND 12Z UKMET. THE 12Z UKMET DID  
TEMPER A BIT AND IS MORE USEFUL TO AN OVERALL BLEND. GIVEN THE  
HARDER PREDICTABILITY OF A FAST MOVING SHORTWAVE (ESPECIALLY  
EMERGING FROM REDUCED VOID OF DATA IN THE NORTH PACIFIC. AS SUCH,  
WILL SUPPORT A GENERAL MODEL BLEND AT AVERAGE TO SLIGHTLY BELOW  
AVERAGE CONFIDENCE.  
 
---PRIOR DISCUSSION---  
THE 3RD MORE SIGNIFICANT SHORTWAVE, WILL OVER-TOP THE BROAD  
LONGWAVE RIDGE PEAKING AROUND VANCOUVER ISLAND AND SLIP INTO THE  
NORTHERN US ROCKIES AND MT HIGH PLAINS. THE 00Z ECMWF IS VERY  
SLOW EVEN COMPARED THE CMC WHICH HAS THE DOWNSTREAM ISSUES WITH  
THE PRIOR SYSTEM. THE CMC MATCHES WELL WITH THE AMPLITUDE/TIMING  
OF THE 12Z GFS AND NAM AS WELL AS THE 00Z UKMET. HOWEVER, THE  
UKMET IS MUCH STRONG PARTICULARLY IN THE LEADING HEIGHT FALLS  
SUPPORTING A DEEPER SURFACE REFLECTION. AS SUCH WILL FAVOR A 12Z  
GFS/NAM AND 00Z CMC BLEND THOUGH GIVEN THE SPEED OF THE SHORTWAVE  
IN THE FLOW AS WELL AS COMPLICATIONS WITH THE EXITING SHORTWAVE,  
THIS CLIPPER SYSTEM CONFIDENCE IN THE BLEND IS AVERAGE TO SLIGHTLY  
BELOW AVERAGE.  
 
POST-TROPICAL STORM NESTOR  
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PREFERENCE: SEE LATEST NHC ADVISORY  
BEST PROXY: 00Z UKMET OR 12Z UKMET/ECMWF/CMC BLEND  
 
19Z UPDATE: THE 00Z UKMET CONTINUES TO BE THE BEST PROXY FOR THIS  
SYSTEM, THOUGH THE 12Z ECMWF/CMC ARE MUCH CLOSER IN TIMING TRACK,  
ESPECIALLY THE ECMWF AFTER 21.00Z WHEN THE 12Z UKMET/CMC BOTH LIFT  
A BIT NORTH OF THE OFFICIAL NHC FORECAST. ALL IN ALL, BEST PROXY  
TO 15Z REMAINS 00Z UKMET OR A 12Z UKMET/CMC AND ECMWF BLEND  
 
---PRIOR DISCUSSION---  
NESTOR HAS LOST THE MAJORITY OF NEAR CENTER CONVECTION, AND WITH  
THE 15Z ADVISORY, NHC HAS DECLARED NESTOR TO BE EXTRA-TROPICAL.  
THIS IS HELD CONSISTENT WITH NEARLY ALL OF THE GLOBAL GUIDANCE AS  
WELL. THE 12Z NAM CONTINUES TO BE THE LARGEST OUTLIER FAVORING A  
NORTHWESTWARD SHIFT OF THE TRACK OF THE CYCLONE THROUGH THE  
CAROLINAS INTO THE NW ATLANTIC. THE 12Z GFS AND 00Z CMC ARE ALONG  
TRACK, UNTIL LIFTING NORTH UNDER INFLUENCE OF APPROACHING NORTHERN  
STREAM STRONG CYCLONE IN THE PLAINS/GREAT LAKES, AS WELL AS A  
WEAKER SURFACE/LOW LEVEL RIDGE ACROSS NEW ENGLAND COMPARED TO THE  
UKMET/ECMWF. THE OFFICIAL NHC TRACK FOLLOWS THE ECMWF/UKMET  
CLOSEST, THOUGH TOWARD THE END OF THE FORECAST PERIOD OVER THE  
OPEN WATERS, THE ECMWF IS FASTER THAN THE OFFICIAL FORECAST,  
MAKING THE UKMET THE BEST PROXY FOR THE 15Z OFFICIAL FORECAST.  
 
MODEL TRENDS AT WWW.WPC.NOAA.GOV/HTML/MODEL2.HTML  
500 MB FORECASTS AT WWW.WPC.NOAA.GOV/H5PREF/H5PREF.SHTML  
 
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