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FXUS10 KWNH 241725  
PMDHMD  
 
MODEL DIAGNOSTIC DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
125 PM EDT THU OCT 24 2019  
 
VALID OCT 24/1200 UTC THRU OCT 28/0000 UTC  
 
...SEE NOUS42 KWNO (ADMNFD) FOR THE STATUS OF THE UPPER AIR  
INGEST...  
 
12Z MODEL EVALUATION WITH LATEST PREFERENCES AND CONFIDENCE  
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...NORTHERN STREAM SHORTWAVE TROUGH PIVOTING ACROSS THE UPPER  
MIDWEST-GREAT LAKES-NORTHEAST THU NIGHT-FRI NIGHT...  
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PREFERENCE: GENERAL MODEL BLEND  
CONFIDENCE: ABOVE AVERAGE  
 
ANOTHER FAST-MOVING SHORTWAVE TROUGH CLIPPING THE NORTHERN PLAINS  
THIS AFTERNOON WILL CROSS THE THE UPPER MIDWEST THURSDAY NIGHT AND  
CROSS THROUGH THE GREAT LAKES ON FRIDAY, BEFORE THEN ADVANCING  
EAST OVER THE NORTHEAST BY SATURDAY. THE LATEST GUIDANCE IS  
COLLECTIVELY IN SUFFICIENTLY GOOD ENOUGH AGREEMENT THAT A GENERAL  
MODEL BLEND CAN BE PREFERRED.  
 
...AMPLIFYING SOUTHERN STREAM TROUGH OVER THE SOUTHERN PLAINS TO  
LOWER-MID MISSISSIPPI VALLEY THROUGH SAT...  
...INITIALLY CLOSED MID/UPPER LOW EVOLVING TO AN OPEN TROUGH  
ACROSS THE OHIO VALLEY-GREAT LAKES-NORTHERN NEW ENGLAND SAT NIGHT  
AND SUN...  
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PREFERENCE: BLEND OF THE 00Z ECMWF/ECENS MEAN  
CONFIDENCE: SLIGHTLY BELOW AVERAGE  
 
THE MODELS CONTINUE TO SHOW VERY GOOD AGREEMENT IN TAKING AN  
AMPLIFYING SHORTWAVE CURRENTLY OVER THE SOUTHERN ROCKIES FARTHER  
SOUTH ACROSS THE SOUTHERN PLAINS BY FRIDAY MORNING. SIGNIFICANT  
MODEL DISAGREEMENTS THOUGH TAKE SHAPE THEREAFTER AS THE SYSTEM  
CLOSES OFF AND PIVOTS NORTHEAST TOWARD THE MID MS VALLEY FRI NIGHT  
AND SAT, WITH THE MODEL DIFFERENCES CONTINUING SAT NIGHT AND SUN  
AS THE SYSTEM ENCOUNTERS MORE CONFLUENCE AND BECOMES AN OPEN  
TROUGH ACROSS THE OH VALLEY-GREAT LAKES-NORTHERN NEW ENGLAND.  
 
ALTHOUGH THE 12Z OPERATIONAL GFS HAS TRENDED SLOWER COMPARED TO  
ITS PREVIOUS FEW RUNS WITH THE MID/UPPER TROUGH PROGRESSION OVER  
THE WEEKEND (TOWARD THE 00Z GEFS MEAN), BOTH THE 12Z GFS AND 00Z  
GEFS MEAN REMAIN ON THE FASTER EDGES OF THE GUIDANCE SPREAD.  
MEANWHILE, THE 12Z NAM HAS ALSO TRENDED SLOWER WITH THE TROUGH  
(CLOSER TO THE EC/ECENS MEAN), HOWEVER LIKE THE UKMET, MAINTAIN A  
BIT MORE AMPLIFICATION BY 12Z SUN AS THE TROUGH REACHES THE UPPER  
GREAT LAKES REGION.  
THE 00Z UKMET MEANWHILE AGAIN APPEARS TO EXHIBIT MORE MORE  
INTERACTION WITH THE AREA OF DISTURBED WEATHER OVER THE GULF OF  
MEXICO. THE 00Z CMC MEANWHILE REMAINS A BIT SLOWER THAN THIS  
CONSENSUS, AND BASED ON THE MODEL CLUSTERING AND ENSEMBLE  
AGREEMENT, A BLEND OF THE 00Z ECMWF AND ECENS MEAN WILL BE  
PREFERRED, THOUGH CONFIDENCE REMAINS BELOW AVERAGE CONSIDERING THE  
GUIDANCE SPREAD.  
 
   
..LOW PRESSURE DEVELOPMENT OVER THE GULF OF MEXICO
 
 
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PREFERENCE: BLEND OF THE 12Z GFS/00Z ECMWF  
CONFIDENCE: SLIGHTLY BELOW AVERAGE  
 
THE LATEST SATELLITE IMAGERY CONFIRMS AN AREA OF DISTURBED WEATHER  
OVER THE BAY OF CAMPECHE WHICH THE MODELS UNANIMOUSLY DEPICT  
LIFTING NORTH ACROSS THE WESTERN AND THEN NORTH-CENTRAL GULF OF  
MEXICO OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS. THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL SUPPORT AMONG  
THE DETERMINISTIC GLOBAL AND HIRES MODEL SUITES FOR A LOW PRESSURE  
CENTER TO DEVELOP THURSDAY NIGHT OVER THE BAY OF CAMPECHE BEFORE  
THE SYSTEM LIKELY MERGES WITH A STRONG FRONT ENTERING THE WESTERN  
GULF OF MEXICO. THE QUESTION WILL BE HOW QUICKLY THIS FEATURE WILL  
BECOME ABSORBED INTO THE AFOREMENTIONED TROUGH OVER THE SOUTHERN  
PLAINS AND LOWER-MID MS VALLEY ON SATURDAY -- AND WHETHER OR NOT  
ANOTHER SURFACE LOW WILL BE LEFT BEHIND SOUTH OF THE MAIN UPPER  
HEIGHT FALLS AND ALONG THE TAIL END OF THE SURFACE FRONT/LOW-LEVEL  
BAROCLINIC ZONE. BOTH THE 12Z GFS AND 00Z ECMWF HAVE A SEPARATE  
WEAK SURFACE LOW (1006-1010 MB) ALONG GULF COAST NEAR MOBILE AND  
THE WESTERN FL PANHANDLE BY EARLY SUNDAY, WITH THE GFS A BIT  
FASTER. BOTH OF THESE MODELS HAD PREVIOUSLY INDICATED A SURFACE  
REFLECTION LINGERING IN THE GULF (IN ADDITION TO A SEPARATE  
SURFACE LOW FARTHER INLAND ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEEPER COLD CORE  
TROUGH), AND BOTH HAVE TRENDED MORE PROGRESSIVE WITH THE LOW  
TRACK, THOUGH THE GFS WAS NOTABLY FASTER COMPARED TO THE 00Z RUNS.  
FOR THE TIME BEING A BLEND BETWEEN THE 12Z GFS AND 00Z ECMWF WOULD  
SEEM TO BE A GOOD COMPROMISE, WHICH WOULD MAINTAIN CONTINUITY FROM  
THE PREVIOUS MODEL PREFERENCE. CONFIDENCE HOWEVER REMAINS BELOW  
AVERAGE HERE, CONSIDERING THE LACK OF CONSENSUS AMONG THE OTHER  
GUIDANCE.  
 
...POSITIVELY TILTED UPPER TROUGH DIGGING ACROSS THE WESTERN CONUS  
SAT-SUN...  
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PREFERENCE: BLEND OF THE 00Z ECMWF/00Z CANADIAN/12Z UKMET  
CONFIDENCE: AVERAGE  
 
A STRONG DEEP LAYER RIDGE IS FORECAST TO EVOLVE OVER THE GULF OF  
AK THIS WEEKEND WHICH WILL ALLOW SHORTWAVE ENERGY TO DIG SOUTH  
ACROSS SOUTHWEST CANADA AND THEN INTO INTERMOUNTAIN WEST AND  
NORTHERN PLAINS BY SUNDAY. THERE IS SUPPORT FOR SOME STREAM  
SEPARATION OVER THE INTERMOUNTAIN WEST BY SUNDAY WHICH IS MORE  
STRONGLY SUPPORTED BY THE 00Z NON-NCEP MODELS. THE 12Z NAM AND  
GFS, ALONG WITH THE 00Z GEFS MEAN, REMAIN A TAD TOO PROGRESSIVE  
COMPARED TO THE NON-NCEP MODEL CONSENSUS BY LATE SUN (00Z MON) --  
THOUGH IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT BOTH THE 12Z NAM AND GFS HAVE  
TRENDED SLOWER TOWARD THE NON-NCEP CONSENSUS. AS SUCH, A NON-NCEP  
MODEL CONSENSUS IS PREFERRED WITH THIS SYSTEM, ESPECIALLY BY  
SUNDAY.  
 
MODEL TRENDS AT WWW.WPC.NOAA.GOV/HTML/MODEL2.HTML  
500 MB FORECASTS AT WWW.WPC.NOAA.GOV/H5PREF/H5PREF.SHTML  
 
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