486  
FXUS10 KWNH 251708  
PMDHMD  
 
MODEL DIAGNOSTIC DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
108 PM EDT FRI OCT 25 2019  
 
VALID OCT 25/1200 UTC THRU OCT 29/0000 UTC  
 
...SEE NOUS42 KWNO (ADMNFD) FOR THE STATUS OF THE UPPER AIR  
INGEST...  
 
12Z NAM/GFS EVALUATION WITH PRELIMINARY PREFERENCES AND CONFIDENCE  
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..TROPICAL DEPRESSION SEVENTEEN
 
 
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PREFERENCE: GENERAL MODEL BLEND WEIGHTED MORE TO 12Z NAM/GFS  
CONFIDENCE: REFER TO NHC PRODUCTS  
 
T.D. SEVENTEEN IS MAINLY A SHORT TERM CONCERN BEFORE IT IS  
ABSORBED INTO A FRONTAL BOUNDARY APPROACHING FROM THE WEST. THE  
MODELS ARE GENERALLY GOOD AGREEMENT WITH T.D. SEVENTEEN, BUT THE  
00Z ECMWF/UKMET/CMC ARE SLIGHTLY SLOWER IN THE FIRST 12-24 HOURS  
COMPARED TO THE 15Z NHC ADVISORY AND THE 12Z NAM/GFS.  
 
   
..SHORTWAVE TROUGH OVER THE UPPER MIDWEST/GREAT LAKES ON FRI
 
 
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PREFERENCE: GENERAL MODEL BLEND  
CONFIDENCE: ABOVE AVERAGE  
 
A SHORTWAVE TROUGH CLIPPING THE GREAT LAKES TODAY WILL ADVANCE  
EAST TO THE NORTHEAST EARLY SATURDAY MORNING. ANY MODEL  
DIFFERENCES WITH THIS SYSTEM ARE MINOR AND THEREFORE A GENERAL  
MODEL BLEND WILL BE PREFERRED.  
 
   
..AMPLIFYING TROUGH/CLOSED LOW OVER THE SOUTHERN PLAINS
 
   
..ENERGY LIFTING NORTHEAST TOWARD THE OH VALLEY
 
 
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PREFERENCE: BLEND OF THE 00Z CMC, 00Z ECMWF AND 12Z GFS  
CONFIDENCE: SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE  
 
THE 12Z GFS HAS TRENDED MORE AMPLIFIED AND SLOWER WITH THE  
MID-LEVEL TROUGH COMPARED TO PREVIOUS RUNS AND IS NOW ONLY  
SLIGHTLY AHEAD OF THE PREVIOUS PREFERENCE WHICH INCLUDED THE 00Z  
CMC/ECMWF AND ECMWF MEAN. THE 00Z UKMET IS SLOWER AND 12Z NAM  
FASTER/WEAKER WITH THE UPPER LEVEL REFLECTION OF THIS SYSTEM AS IT  
APPROACHES ONTARIO AND QUEBEC. AT THE SURFACE, ENSEMBLE SCATTER  
LOW PLOTS AND THE LATEST ENSEMBLE MEANS SUPPORT A BLEND OF THE 12Z  
GFS, 00Z ECMWF AND 00Z CMC WITH ONLY SMALL TIMING DIFFERENCES  
BETWEEN THEM. THIS THINKING ALSO HOLDS TRUE FOR A SECONDARY  
SURFACE LOW FORECAST TO ORGANIZE NEAR THE NEW ENGLAND COAST SUNDAY  
NIGHT.  
 
   
..UPPER TROUGH DIGGING ACROSS THE INTERMOUNTAIN WEST BY SAT
 
 
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PREFERENCE: BLEND OF THE 00Z ECMWF, 12Z NAM, 00Z UKMET  
CONFIDENCE: SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE  
 
A LARGE TROUGH, FORECAST TO AMPLIFY INTO THE WEST THIS WEEKEND,  
WILL HAVE A SOUTHERN STREAM COMPONENT WHICH SHOULD REACH THE  
SOUTHERN PLAINS MONDAY EVENING. THE GFS HAS BEEN TRENDING SLOWER  
BUT THE 12Z RUN REMAINS THE FASTEST OF THE DETERMINISTIC SUITE.  
ENSEMBLE SPAGHETTI PLOTS ARE COMING INTO BETTER AGREEMENT OVER  
THEIR PAST 4 12Z/00Z CYCLES BUT TIMING DIFFERENCES REMAIN. A  
FAVORABLE MIDDLE GROUND AND CONSENSUS APPROACH FAVORS A BLEND OF  
THE 00Z ECMWF, 12Z NAM AND 00Z UKMET WITH THE 00Z CMC A TAD SLOWER  
THAN EVERYTHING ELSE.  
 
   
..SHORTWAVE/CLIPPER LOW OVER MT/ND BY MONDAY
 
 
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PREFERENCE: GENERAL MODEL BLEND  
CONFIDENCE: ABOVE AVERAGE  
 
ONLY MINOR DIFFERENCES EXIST WITH THIS SYSTEM AND SO A GENERAL  
MODEL BLEND APPEARS SUFFICIENT AT THIS TIME TO USE FOR THE  
PREFERENCE.  
 
MODEL TRENDS AT WWW.WPC.NOAA.GOV/HTML/MODEL2.HTML  
500 MB FORECASTS AT WWW.WPC.NOAA.GOV/H5PREF/H5PREF.SHTML  
 
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