389  
FXUS10 KWNH 251918  
PMDHMD  
 
MODEL DIAGNOSTIC DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
318 PM EDT FRI OCT 25 2019  
 
VALID OCT 25/1200 UTC THRU OCT 29/0000 UTC  
 
...SEE NOUS42 KWNO (ADMNFD) FOR THE STATUS OF THE UPPER AIR  
INGEST...  
 
12Z MODEL EVALUATION WITH FINAL PREFERENCES AND CONFIDENCE  
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..TROPICAL DEPRESSION SEVENTEEN
 
 
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PREFERENCE: GENERAL MODEL BLEND  
CONFIDENCE: REFER TO NHC PRODUCTS  
 
T.D. SEVENTEEN IS MAINLY A SHORT TERM CONCERN BEFORE IT IS  
ABSORBED INTO A FRONTAL BOUNDARY APPROACHING FROM THE WEST. THE  
MODELS ARE GENERALLY GOOD AGREEMENT WITH T.D. SEVENTEEN WITH THE  
12Z GUIDANCE ONLY SHOWING MINOR DIFFERENCES IN THE FIRST 12-24  
HOURS COMPARED TO THE 15Z NHC ADVISORY.  
 
   
..SHORTWAVE TROUGH OVER THE UPPER MIDWEST/GREAT LAKES ON FRI
 
 
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PREFERENCE: GENERAL MODEL BLEND  
CONFIDENCE: ABOVE AVERAGE  
 
A SHORTWAVE TROUGH CLIPPING THE GREAT LAKES TODAY WILL ADVANCE  
EAST TO THE NORTHEAST EARLY SATURDAY MORNING. ANY MODEL  
DIFFERENCES WITH THIS SYSTEM ARE MINOR AND THEREFORE A GENERAL  
MODEL BLEND WILL BE PREFERRED.  
 
   
..AMPLIFYING TROUGH/CLOSED LOW OVER THE SOUTHERN PLAINS
 
   
..ENERGY LIFTING NORTHEAST TOWARD THE OH VALLEY
 
 
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PREFERENCE: BLEND OF THE 12Z CMC, 12Z ECMWF AND 12Z GFS  
CONFIDENCE: SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE  
 
THE 12Z GFS HAS TRENDED MORE AMPLIFIED AND SLOWER WITH THE  
MID-LEVEL TROUGH COMPARED TO PREVIOUS RUNS AND IS NOW ONLY  
SLIGHTLY AHEAD OF THE PREVIOUS PREFERENCE WHICH INCLUDED THE 00Z  
CMC/ECMWF AND ECMWF MEAN. THE 12Z UKMET REMAINS A BIT SLOWER THAN  
THE CONSENSUS BUT IT HAS TRENDED FASTER COMPARED TO ITS PREVIOUS  
00Z CYCLE. THE 12Z NAM IS FASTER/WEAKER WITH THE UPPER LEVEL  
REFLECTION OF THIS SYSTEM AS IT APPROACHES ONTARIO AND QUEBEC. AT  
THE SURFACE, ENSEMBLE SCATTER LOW PLOTS AND THE LATEST ENSEMBLE  
MEANS SUPPORT A BLEND OF THE 12Z GFS/ECMWF AND 12Z CMC WITH ONLY  
SMALL TIMING DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THEM. THIS THINKING ALSO HOLDS  
TRUE FOR A SECONDARY SURFACE LOW FORECAST TO ORGANIZE NEAR THE NEW  
ENGLAND COAST SUNDAY NIGHT.  
 
   
..UPPER TROUGH DIGGING ACROSS THE INTERMOUNTAIN WEST BY SAT
 
 
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PREFERENCE: BLEND OF THE 12Z ECMWF, 12Z NAM, 12Z UKMET  
CONFIDENCE: SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE  
 
A LARGE TROUGH, FORECAST TO AMPLIFY INTO THE WEST THIS WEEKEND,  
WILL HAVE A SOUTHERN STREAM COMPONENT WHICH SHOULD REACH THE  
SOUTHERN PLAINS MONDAY EVENING. THE GFS HAS BEEN TRENDING SLOWER  
BUT THE 12Z RUN REMAINS THE FASTEST OF THE DETERMINISTIC SUITE.  
ENSEMBLE SPAGHETTI PLOTS ARE COMING INTO BETTER AGREEMENT OVER  
THEIR PAST 4 12Z/00Z CYCLES BUT TIMING DIFFERENCES REMAIN.  
 
THE 12Z ECMWF/UKMET/CMC ALL TRENDED FASTER TO SOME DEGREE, BUT  
MORE SO IN THE ECMWF. THE 12Z GFS REMAINS A FASTER OUTLIER WHILE  
THE 12Z CMC A BIT TOO SLOW. A FAVORABLE MIDDLE GROUND AND  
CONSENSUS APPROACH CONTINUES TO FAVOR A BLEND OF THE 120Z ECMWF,  
12Z NAM AND 12Z UKMET.  
 
   
..SHORTWAVE/CLIPPER LOW OVER MT/ND BY MONDAY
 
 
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PREFERENCE: GENERAL MODEL BLEND  
CONFIDENCE: ABOVE AVERAGE  
 
ONLY MINOR DIFFERENCES EXIST WITH THIS SYSTEM AND SO A GENERAL  
MODEL BLEND APPEARS SUFFICIENT AT THIS TIME TO USE FOR THE  
PREFERENCE.  
 
MODEL TRENDS AT WWW.WPC.NOAA.GOV/HTML/MODEL2.HTML  
500 MB FORECASTS AT WWW.WPC.NOAA.GOV/H5PREF/H5PREF.SHTML  
 
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