834  
FXUS61 KALY 230147  
AFDALY  
 
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ALBANY NY  
845 PM EST SUN NOV 22 2009  
   
SYNOPSIS  
 
HIGH PRESSURE OVER THE CANADIAN MARITIMES THIS EVENING  
WILL CONTINUE TO DRIFT NORTHEAST TONIGHT...AS A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM  
ALONG THE CAROLINA COAST STARTS TO MOVE NORTHEASTWARD. THIS LOW  
PRESSURE SYSTEM WILL PASS FAR EAST OF CAPE COD ON TUESDAY...  
RESULTING IN MAINLY LIGHT PRECIPITATION ACROSS MUCH OF OUR REGION  
MONDAY NIGHT INTO TUESDAY. A SERIES OF MUCH STRONGER STORMS WILL  
IMPACT OUR REGION LATER IN THE WEEK...RESULTING IN UNSETTLED WEATHER  
FROM THANKSGIVING THROUGH MUCH OF THE HOLIDAY WEEKEND.  
 
 
   
NEAR TERM /UNTIL 6 AM MONDAY MORNING/  
 
SKIES WERE CLEAR ACROSS THE REGION AND WINDS WERE CALM OR NEARLY  
SO...IDEAL CONDITIONS FOR RADIATIONAL COOLING. TEMPERATURES WERE  
DROPPING AND IN MANY LOCATIONS WERE WITHIN TWO OR THREE DEGREES  
OF THE DEWPOINT. HAVE ADJUSTED GRIDS PER LATEST OBS AND TRENDS.  
HAVE INCREASED THE AREAL EXTENT OF THE VALLEY FOG. GLENS FALLS  
ALREADY DROPPED BELOW THE IFR THRESHOLD SHORTLY AFTER 8PM ALTHOUGH  
IT HAD IMPROVED TO MVFR. WE EXPECT THIS IMPROVEMENT WILL BE  
TEMPORARY. LOWERED TEMPS AND OVERNIGHT LOWS ACROSS THE EASTERN  
MOHAWK VALLEY AND CAPITAL DISTRICT BASED ON MOST RECENT OBS.  
 
THE 00Z ALY SOUNDING SHOWED A RATHER STRONG INVERSION JUST BELOW  
THE 850 HPA LEVEL WITH A TEMPERATURE OF PLUS 1 AT 880 HPA AND  
PLUS 6 AT 860. THERE WAS AN ABRUPT DRYING ABOVE THAT LEVEL AS  
WELL. OVERNIGHT LOWS ARE FORECAST TO RANGE FROM THE LOW 20S IN  
THE ADIRONDACKS TO THE LOW 30S IN THE HUDSON VALLEY. SKIES WILL  
BE CLEAR FOR MOST OF THE NIGHT...BUT EXPECT SOME LOW STRATUS  
MAY FORM IN THE INVERSION OVER THE RIVER VALLEYS AS WELL AS  
VALLEY FOG. MORE GENERAL CLOUDINESS...WHICH COVERED SOUTHEASTERN  
NEW ENGLAND...IS EXPECTED TO MOVE IN FROM THE EAST AROUND  
DAYBREAK.  
 
 
   
SHORT TERM /6 AM MONDAY MORNING THROUGH WEDNESDAY/  
 
FA WILL BE BRUSHED BY COASTAL LOW MAINLY LATE MONDAY INTO TUESDAY  
WHICH WILL BE FOLLOWED BY HIGH PRESSURE TUESDAY NIGHT INTO  
WEDNESDAY.  
 
FOR MONDAY EXPECT THAT MID AND HIGH CLOUDS WILL START TO INCREASE  
QUICKLY MONDAY MORNING FROM SOUTHEAST TO NORTHWEST WITH LOW LEVEL  
CLOUDS QUICKLY OVERSPREADING SOUTHEAST PORTION OF FA BEFORE 18Z AS  
GOOD MOISTURE CONVERGENCE H10-H8. FOR MONDAY AFTERNOON WILL BRING  
CHANCE POPS MAINLY UP TO 190. HIGHS ON MONDAY WILL BE LIMITED BY  
CLOUDS AND SLOW RECOVERY FROM OVERNIGHT LOWS. EXPECT HIGHS ON  
MONDAY ONLY IN THE 40S ACROSS THE FA.  
 
FOR MONDAY NIGHT INTO TUESDAY THE UNCERTAINTY EXISTS WITH HOW FAR  
NORTH AND WEST PRECIPITATION SHIELD WILL EXTEND WITH SURFACE LOW  
PASSING WELL EAST OF CAPE COD ON TUESDAY. FOR NOW WILL GO WITH  
JUST CHANCE POPS MOST AREAS MONDAY NIGHT INTO TUESDAY...ALTHOUGH  
WILL INCLUDE LIKELY POPS MONDAY NIGHT ACROSS FAR SOUTHEAST PORTION  
OF FA. H10-H8 FRONTOGENESIS BARELY REACHES SOUTHEAST PORTION OF FA  
MONDAY EVENING AND THEN AXIS SLIDES WELL EAST ACROSS FAR SOUTHEAST  
NEW ENGLAND AND OFF CAPE COD. THIS EVENT LOOKS TO HAVE VERY  
LITTLE QPF TO WORK WITH ACROSS FA AND ONLY HAVE QPF AMOUNTS MONDAY  
NIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY FROM LESS THAN A TENTH OF AN INCH FAR NW  
PORTION OF FA TO JUST OVER A THIRD OF AN INCH FAR SOUTHEAST  
PORTION. ON MONDAY NIGHT WOULD EXPECT THAT ANY PCPN ACRS WRN  
ADIRONDACKS WOULD BE IN THE FORM OF SNOW...BUT NOT SURE MOISTURE  
WILL MAKE IT THAT FAR NORTH AND WEST. FOR NOW HAVE JUST PLACED A  
FEW TENTHS OF AN INCH OF SNOW ACCUMULATION IN THE GRIDS.  
EXPECT LOWS MONDAY NIGHT IN THE UPPER 20S TO LOWER 4S0 WITH HIGHS  
ON TUESDAY IN THE UPPER 40S TO LOWER 50S.  
 
FOR TUESDAY NIGHT HIGH PRESSURE EXPECTED TO BUILD ACROSS FA WITH  
LOWS IN THE UPPER 20S TO MID 30S AND THIS WILL QUICKLY BE FOLLOWED  
BY INCREASING CLOUDS ON WEDNESDAY AHEAD OF NEXT SYSTEM LIFTING  
INTO THE UPPER GREAT LAKES LATE IN THE DAY. FOR NOW WILL ONLY  
INCLUDE SLIGHT CHANCE POPS ACROSS FAR WESTERN ZONES WEDNESDAY  
AFTERNOON. HIGHS ON WEDNESDAY EXPECTED TO BE IN THE UPPER 40S TO  
LOWER 50S.  
 
 
   
LONG TERM /WEDNESDAY NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY/  
 
MUCH OF THE EXTENDED PERIOD WILL BE DOMINATED BY A DEVELOPING TROUGH  
ACROSS THE EASTERN CONUS AND THE POSSIBILITY OF A PHASED STORM  
SYSTEM AFFECTING THE NORTHEAST.  
 
ON THANKSGIVING EVE INTO THANKSGIVING...A SLOW MOVING CUTOFF TROUGH  
WILL BE MOVING ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES. AT THE SAME TIME...SFC LOW  
PRESSURE WILL BE DEVELOPING IN THE SOUTHERN STREAM IN THE VICINITY  
OF FLORIDA. AHEAD OF THE APPROACHING CUTOFF TROUGH...SOUTHERLY FLOW  
WILL ALLOW FOR WEAK ISENTROPIC LIFT ACROSS OUR AREA...WHICH MAY  
ALLOW FOR SOME SHOWERS. WITH 850 HPA TEMPS REMAINING ABOUT 1-5  
DEGREES C...THIS SHOULD BE IN THE FORM OF RAIN SHOWERS. THE ACTIVITY  
WILL BE RATHER SCT DUE TO THE WEAK FORCING...SO WILL KEEP POPS IN  
THE CHC RANGE.  
 
BY THURSDAY NIGHT...HOWEVER...THE FORECAST GETS A BIT MORE  
INTERESTING...HOWEVER...STILL MUDDLED DUE TO SOME MODEL  
INCONSISTENCIES. THE LARGE UPPER TROUGH OVER THE GREAT LAKES BEGINS  
TO SHIFT EASTWARD TOWARDS THE UPPER OHIO VALLEY AND TAKES ON A MORE  
NEGATIVE TILT AT 500 HPA. MEANWHILE...SFC PRESSURE BEGIN TO RAPIDLY  
DEEPEN OFF THE COAST OF NJ...WITH SURPRISINGLY GOOD AGREEMENT  
BETWEEN THE 12 UTC GFS/ECMWF AND MANY MEMBERS OF THE 12 UTC GEFS AS  
WELL.  
 
WITH THIS SFC/UPPER LEVEL SETUP...A STEADY PERIOD OF PRECIPITATION  
IS LIKELY ACROSS THE REGION FOR SOMETIME THURSDAY NIGHT INTO FRIDAY.  
WITH THE AIRMASS STARTING OUT NOT AWFULLY COLD AT ALL...PRECIP TYPE  
WILL LARGELY BE ELEVATION DEPENDENT FOR THIS PORTION OF THE STORM.  
SOME COLDER AIR WILL BE DRAWN INTO THE SYSTEM THROUGH THE DAY ON  
FRIDAY...BUT AT THIS POINT...MUCH OF THE PRECIP IN THE VALLEYS LOOKS  
TO BE A COLD RAIN...WITH A RAIN/SNOW MIX ACROSS THE HIGHER  
ELEVATIONS...AS SFC TEMPS WILL REMAIN IN THE LOWER 30S ACROSS THE  
HIGHER TERRAIN TO THE LOW 40S IN THE VALLEYS.  
 
BY LATE FRIDAY...THE LOW PRESSURE WILL LIKELY BE SOMEWHERE NEAR THE  
COAST OF MAINE OR EVEN SLIGHTLY INLAND ACROSS NORTHERN NEW ENGLAND.  
HOWEVER...COLDER AIR WILL BE RUSHING IN ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE  
SYSTEM...AND 850 HPA TEMPS WILL PLUNGE TO 0 TO -4 DEGREES C. THIS  
MAY ALLOW FOR SOME LINGERING SNOW SHOWERS DUE TO THE UPPER TROUGH  
OVERHEAD...EVEN ACROSS THE VALLEYS. SOME STEADY SNOW MAY CONTINUE  
ACROSS THE DACKS DUE TO A DEFORMATION BAND...ALTHOUGH THIS WILL  
ULTIMATELY DEPEND OF THE EXACT TRACK OF BOTH THE 500 HPA LOW AND SFC  
SYSTEM. IN ADDITION...THE STRONG PRESSURE GRADIENT WILL ALLOW FOR  
GUSTY NORTHWESTERLY WINDS...ESP ACROSS THE HIGHER TERRAIN AND  
CHANNELED VALLEY LOCATIONS.  
 
BY SATURDAY...LINGERING RAIN OR SNOW SHOWERS ARE POSSIBLE DUE TO THE  
CYCLONIC FLOW AROUND THE LARGE UPPER TROUGH ACROSS THE NORTHEAST.  
PRECIP TYPE WILL LARGELY BE ELEVATION AND DIURNAL  
DEPENDENT...ALTHOUGH MAX TEMPS WILL BE LUCKY TO HIT THE 40 DEGREE  
MARK...EVEN IN THE VALLEYS.  
 
IT/S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT DESPITE SOME SIMILARITIES IN THE  
MODELS...THERE IS STILL A GREAT DEAL OF UNCERTAINTY WITH THIS  
SYSTEM. THE 12 UTC GGEM SHOWS NO PHASING...AS WELL AS A FEW GEFS  
MEMBERS AS WELL. CONFIDENCE WILL BE INCREASED...HOWEVER...IF  
SUBSEQUENT MODEL RUNS CONTINUE TO SHOW A SIMILAR SETUP TO TODAY/S  
MODEL SUITE.  
 
 
   
AVIATION /00Z MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY/  
 
SKIES HAVE CLEARED ACROSS THE HUDSON VALLEY TERMINALS THIS EVE  
ALLOWING FOR TEMPS TO DROP RAPIDLY. WITH T/TD SPREADS LOW AT  
KALB/KGFL...AND WITH LIGHT TO CALM WINDS FORECASTED FOR MUCH OF THE  
NIGHT...WOULD EXPECT A PERIOD OF RADIATIONAL FOG AT BOTH TERMINALS.  
BASED ON WHAT OCCURRED LAST NIGHT...WOULD EXPECT IFR FOG AT KGFL AS  
EARLY AS 03Z...AND DEF FROM 06Z UNTIL SUNRISE. KALB IS A BIT  
TRICKIER...AS WOULD EXPECT MVFR FOG THERE AS EARLY AS 05Z...AND DEF  
AFTER 07Z...BUT AM NOT CONFIDENT THAT IFR FOG WILL DEVELOP AT ALL.  
IF IT DOES OCCUR...IT WOULD PROBABLY BE JUST AN HOUR OR TWO BEFORE  
SUNRISE...AND THE 06Z TAF ISSUANCE SHOULD HAVE A BETTER HANDLE ON  
THIS AT THAT POINT. MEANWHILE...KPOU EXPERIENCED LOW CLOUDS THROUGH  
THE LATE AFTN...SO T/TD SPREAD NOT QUITE AS LARGE THERE. IN  
ADDITION...SOME LOW CLOUDS MAY DEVELOP THERE LATE TONIGHT DUE TO AN  
UPPER LOW OVER NJ...SO WILL ONLY EXPECT MVFR FOG AT WORST THERE FOR  
A BRIEF PERIOD BEFORE SUNRISE.  
 
ON MONDAY...THE MAIN AVIATION CONCERNS WILL BE AT KPOU...WHERE LOW  
STRATUS WILL CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THROUGH THE MORNING HOURS...AS THE  
UPPER LEVEL LOW REMAINS NEARBY THE REGION. THIS WILL LIKELY LEAD TO  
MVFR CIGS THERE. THIS STRATUS WILL ATTEMPT TO MOVE UP THE HUDSON  
VALLEY...WHICH COULD EVEN LEAD TO MVFR CIGS AT KALB FOR THE MON AFTN  
HOURS. KGFL SHOULD BE FAR ENOUGH NORTH TO REMAIN VFR ALL DAY. IN  
ADDITION...SOME RAIN SHOWERS MAY BEGIN TO AFFECT KPOU BY THE MID  
AFTN...WHICH COULD POTENTIALLY DROP VSBYS TO MVFR LEVELS THERE AS  
WELL.  
 
WINDS WILL BE NEARLY CALM OVERNIGHT. ON MONDAY...A LIGHT EAST TO  
NORTHEAST SFC WIND OCCUR AT ALL TERMINALS...AT SPEEDS GENERALLY 5  
KTS OR LESS.  
 
OUTLOOK...  
MON NIGHT-TUE...VFR-MVFR...CHC OF RAIN, MAINLY KPOU.  
WED...VFR...CHC OF SHOWERS.  
THU-FRI...MVFR/IFR...RAIN POSSIBLE LATE THU THROUGH FRI.  
 
 
   
HYDROLOGY  
 
WITH DRY CONDITIONS EXPECTED TO LAST AT LEAST INTO MONDAY RIVERS  
WILL CONTINUE RECEDE THROUGH MONDAY. THE NEXT THREAT OF  
PRECIPITATION WILL BE LATE MONDAY INTO TUESDAY. EXPECT TOTAL QPF  
AMOUNTS TO BE FAIRLY LIGHT WITH LESS THAN A TENTH OF AN INCH OF  
QPF ACROSS NW ZONES TO A LITTLE OVER A THIRD OF AN INCH FAR  
SOUTHEAST ZONES. THIS EVENT SHOULD HAVE VERY LITTLE IMPACT ON  
RIVERS AND STREAMS. FURTHER OUT AN UNSETTLED PERIOD OF WEATHER  
THURSDAY INTO THE WEEKEND COULD RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT  
PRECIPITATION AMOUNTS.  
 
FOR DETAILS ON SPECIFIC AREA RIVERS AND LAKES...INCLUDING  
OBSERVED AND FORECAST RIVER STAGES AND LAKE ELEVATIONS...PLEASE  
VISIT THE ADVANCED HYDROLOGIC PREDICTION SERVICE /AHPS/ GRAPHS ON  
OUR WEBSITE.  
 
 
   
ALY WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES  
 
CT...NONE.  
NY...NONE.  
MA...NONE.  
VT...NONE.  
 
 
 
 
SYNOPSIS...11  
NEAR TERM...RCK  
SHORT TERM...11  
LONG TERM...FRUGIS  
AVIATION...FRUGIS  
HYDROLOGY...11  
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