943  
FXUS61 KCLE 281002  
AFDCLE  
 
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CLEVELAND OH  
502 AM EST THU NOV 28 2024  
   
SYNOPSIS
 
 
LOW PRESSURE EXITS TO THE EAST COAST AREA TODAY. A BROAD UPPER  
LEVEL LOW SETTLES INTO THE GREAT LAKES FOR THE FORESEEABLE  
FUTURE. ONSHORE WINDS MAKE FOR A PROLONGED LAKE EFFECT SNOW  
EVENT BEGINNING TONIGHT THROUGH THE WEEKEND.  
 

 
   
NEAR TERM /THROUGH FRIDAY/
 
 
BROAD CYCLONIC FLOW ALOFT TAKES OVER AS SURFACE LOW PRESSURE EXITS  
THE REGION. SURFACE FLOW BECOMES COLD ADVECTIVE OFF LAKE ERIE,  
QUICKLY TRANSITIONING TO A LAKE EFFECT SETUP THAT WILL LINGER WELL  
INTO THE WEEKEND.  
 
FLOW BEGINS TO TURN WESTERLY AFTER 00Z FRIDAY WITH A GOOD FETCH OFF  
LAKE ERIE THAT WILL PUSH INLAND EAST OF CLEVELAND IN EASTERN  
CUYAHOGA COUNTY. SNOW BEGINS ON THE INEFFICIENT SIDE WITH SNOW  
RATIOS DOWN AROUND 7:1 AND AIR TEMPERATURES STILL WORKING THEIR WAY  
DOWN TOWARDS FREEZING. EXPECTING THE FIRST SIGNIFICANT ACCUMULATIONS  
TO COME IN THE 06-12Z FRIDAY TIME FRAME, BUT THE BAND SETTING UP  
SHOULD BECOME TRANSIENT FAIRLY SOON INTO THE EVENT. THE FRIDAY  
PERIOD GETS A LITTLE TRICKY. WHILE MODELS ARE BASICALLY ALL  
FORECASTING A SURFACE TROUGH SETTING UP OVER/IN THE VICINITY OF LAKE  
ERIE ALONG ITS MAXIMUM FETCH, THE STRENGTH AND EXACT LOCATION IS NOT  
NECESSARILY CONSISTENT WITHIN THE MODELS. THE STRENGTH OF THE  
SURFACE TROUGH COMES INTO EFFECT WITH THE DEGREE OF THE CONVERGENCE  
OF THE SURFACE WINDS AND ULTIMATELY THE 925MB F-GEN, WHICH IN  
CERTAIN CASES WOULD PULL THE BAND MORE TOWARDS THE SHORE OR EVEN A  
BIT OFFSHORE. FOR NOW, GOING TO KEEP WITH THE SOLUTIONS WE HAVE BEEN  
RUNNING WITH OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS WITH OUR FAR NE OH AND NW  
PA ZONES GETTING HIT WITH AN OSCILLATING BAND OF LAKE EFFECT SNOW,  
BUT WILL NEED TO CAREFULLY WATCH MODEL UPDATES TO KEEP UP WITH THIS  
TROUGH PLACEMENT. SNOW SHOULD GET MORE EFFICIENT WITH TEMPERATURE  
DROPS AND SUBSEQUENT RATIOS CLIMBING INTO THE 12-15:1 RANGE HEADING  
INTO EARLY FRIDAY. ONCE WE GET INTO FRIDAY, ONE ADDITIONAL CONCERN  
WITH THE FORECAST IS THAT THE WINDS COMING OFF LAKE ERIE WILL  
STRENGTHEN TO 25-35MPH, REDUCING PARCEL RESIDENCE TIME OVER THE  
WATER AND PLAYING HAVOC WITH THE DENDRITES. THIS WOULD ULTIMATELY BE  
DETRIMENTAL TO THE SNOW AMOUNTS IN THE FORECAST. IN THE END, THE  
SNOW AMOUNT FORECAST IS THE NET RESULT OF THE FORECAST PARAMETERS  
WHICH CONTINUES TO SHOW A SIZABLE EARLY SEASON LAKE EFFECT EVENT FOR  
THE LAKE EFFECT PRONE PORTIONS OF THE FORECAST AREA. GIVEN THAT THIS  
IS AN EVENT ON THE MESOSCALE LEVEL, SOME FINE TUNING ADJUSTMENTS  
SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE EXPECTED IN UPCOMING FORECASTS TO HELP NARROW  
DOWN THE PLACEMENT OF THE LAKE EFFECT BAND AND ITS EVOLUTION THROUGH  
TIME.  
 

 
   
SHORT TERM /FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY/
 
 
LAKE EFFECT SNOW WILL BE ONGOING ACROSS NORTHEAST OHIO AND NORTHWEST  
PENNSYLVANIA AT THE START OF THE SHORT TERM FORECAST PERIOD ON  
FRIDAY NIGHT. THE UPPER LEVEL TROUGH AXIS THAT WILL MOVE THROUGH THE  
REGION ON FRIDAY TO ENHANCE SNOW WILL DEPART TO THE EAST FOR FRIDAY  
NIGHT INTO SATURDAY AND FLOW WILL START TO BACK. THIS WILL ALLOW FOR  
ANY ORGANIZED LAKE EFFECT SNOW BANDS TO START LIFTING NORTH ACROSS  
THE REGION AND LIKELY ENTIRELY OVER THE LAKE. HAVE STARTED THE TREND  
IN THE FORECAST TO NUDGE THE HIGHEST POPS AND SNOWFALL ACCUMULATIONS  
NORTH THROUGH SATURDAY. A SHORTWAVE IN THE BROADER TROUGH OVER THE  
REGION WILL ENTER ON SUNDAY AND ALLOW FOR SNOW TO START PUSHING BACK  
TOWARD THE FORECAST AREA AS FLOW VEERS AND HAVE POPS INCREASING  
ACROSS THE AREA FOR SUNDAY AND SUNDAY NIGHT. WITH THE PACKAGE THIS  
MORNING, WE HAVE DECIDED TO UPGRADE TO A LAKE EFFECT SNOW WARNING  
FOR THE NE OH/NW PA SNOW BELT THROUGH 10 AM SATURDAY, WHICH IS  
SIGNIFICANTLY SHORTENED FROM THE INITIAL WATCH THAT WAS VALID  
THROUGH 7 AM ON MONDAY. THE RATIONALE WAS TO HIGHLIGHT THE HIGHER  
CONFIDENCE PERIOD OF SNOW THROUGH FRIDAY NIGHT THAT WILL BRING UP TO  
18 INCHES OF SNOW TO PORTIONS OF THE OH AND PA SNOW BELT AND ACCOUNT  
FOR A LACKLUSTER TIME PERIOD ON SATURDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT, WHEN  
SNOW WILL BE MARGINAL FOR MUCH OF THE AREA. WE CAN ALSO ALLOW MORE  
TIME FOR DETAILS ON THE SNOW EARLY NEXT WEEK TO BECOME MORE CLEAR.  
WE WILL EVALUATE THE HEADLINES THROUGH THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS AND  
EITHER EXTEND OR REPLACE THEM AS NEEDED AS THE FIRST ROUND OF LAKE  
EFFECT SNOW ENDS ON SATURDAY MORNING AND THE NEXT ROUND BEGINS ON  
SUNDAY. TEMPERATURES THROUGH THE PERIOD WILL BE COLD WITH HIGHS  
BELOW FREEZING AND LOWS IN THE TEENS FOR MOST.  
 

 
   
LONG TERM /SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH WEDNESDAY/
 
 
BOTTOM LINE, UP FRONT - THERE WILL BE POTENTIAL FOR CONTINUED LAKE  
EFFECT SNOW ON MONDAY INTO TUESDAY AND THERE COULD BE A NEED FOR  
ADDITIONAL WINTER HEADLINES AS DETAILS BECOME MORE CLEAR.  
 
THE UPPER LEVEL PATTERN STARTS TO MOVE MORE PROGRESSIVELY ON MONDAY  
WITH THE FIRST OF THREE SHORTWAVES MOVING THROUGH THE FLOW ALOFT.  
THESE SHORTWAVES WILL FINALLY ALLOW FOR THE CLOSED UPPER LOW OVER  
ONTARIO TO FLUSH OUT OF THE REGION AND START ALLOWING FOR SOME  
CHANGES TO THE LAKE EFFECT PATTERN. FOR MONDAY, BELIEVE THAT THERE  
WILL BE SOME EFFICIENT SNOWFALL WITHIN THE FORECAST AREA AS THE  
THERMODYNAMICS REMAIN STRONG FOR LAKE EFFECT WITH AROUND -10 C AT  
850 MB OVER A LAKE THAT SHOULD BE AT ABOUT 5 C OR SO ON MONDAY.  
HOWEVER, THE SHORTWAVE MOVING THROUGH THE REGION SHOULD PROVIDE SOME  
EXTRA LIFT TO ALLOW FOR MORE WIDESPREAD SNOWFALL. IN ADDITION, THE  
FETCH WILL SHIFT TO THE NORTHWEST AND WHILE THIS WILL BE A SHORTER  
FETCH OFF LAKE ERIE, THIS PATTERN WILL START TO PUT THE EFFECTS OF  
THE OTHER GREAT LAKES IN PLAY, ESPECIALLY LAKE HURON. WHEREVER THAT  
CONNECTION SETS UP, THERE SHOULD BE ENOUGH PRESENT TO ALLOW FOR  
ANOTHER ROUND OF HEADLINE-WORTHY (POTENTIALLY WARNING LEVEL) SNOW ON  
MONDAY. ANOTHER SHORTWAVE APPEARS TO DIG INTO THE REGION ON TUESDAY  
AND ALLOW FOR THE SAME THING TO HAPPEN. HOWEVER, WITH THIS WAVE,  
ADDITIONAL COLD AIR ADVECTION WILL SURGE INTO THE REGION AND 850 MB  
TEMPERATURES MAY DIP TO -12 TO -13 C, WHICH WILL ONLY INCREASE THE  
POTENTIAL LAKE EFFECT INSTABILITY AND ENHANCE ANY SNOW ACROSS THE  
REGION. THE QUESTION JUST STARTS TO BECOME ABOUT IF THERE IS ENOUGH  
MOISTURE, AS THESE WAVES WILL START BRINGING DOWN SOME DRIER,  
CONTINENTAL AIR MASS INTO THE REGION. ANOTHER WAVE WILL MOVE THROUGH  
THE GREAT LAKES ON WEDNESDAY; HOWEVER, THERE APPEARS TO BE A DEEPER  
PULL OF WARM AIR AHEAD OF IT, WHICH MAY ALLOW FOR SNOW TO CHANGE  
BACK TO RAIN. TEMPERATURES WILL BE COLDER THAN NORMAL FOR THE  
PERIOD, BUT TRENDING UP LATER IN THE WEEK.  
 

 
   
AVIATION /06Z THURSDAY THROUGH MONDAY/
 
 
RAIN/SNOW MIX OR ALL SNOW FOR FDY/MFD/CAK/YNG TONIGHT, AND ALL  
RAIN FURTHER NORTH CLOSER TO THE WARMER LAKESHORE AREAS AS LOW  
PRESSURE TRACKS WEST TO EAST THROUGH THE OHIO VALLEY. MAINLY  
MVFR RIGHT NOW, BUT STILL EXPECT IT TO WORSEN TO IFR CEILINGS  
AND VISIBILITIES DURING THE OVERNIGHT PERIOD FOR MOST OF THE  
TERMINALS, WITH SOME LIFR POSSIBLE FOR A FEW HOURS AS WELL.  
WINDS TURNING NORTHWESTERLY 10KTS. IMPROVEMENT TO THE FLIGHT  
CATEGORIES DURING THE AFTERNOON WITH THE EXIT OF THE LOW  
PRESSURE SYSTEM. LAKE EFFECT AREAS WILL SEE SNOW DEVELOPING  
AFTER 06Z FRIDAY.  
 
OUTLOOK...NON-VFR LIKELY IN PERIODIC LAKE-EFFECT SNOW IS  
EXPECTED THURSDAY NIGHT THROUGH MONDAY. THE HEAVIEST AND MOST-  
PERSISTENT LAKE-EFFECT SNOW IN OUR REGION IS EXPECTED TO IMPACT  
THE PRIMARY SNOWBELT IN FAR NORTHEAST OHIO AND NORTHWEST  
PENNSYLVANIA.  
 

 
   
MARINE
 
 
LOW PRESSURE OVER THE OHIO VALLEY IS DEEPENING AS IT MOVES EAST  
TOWARD THE EAST COAST AND AS IT HELPS EXTEND A COLD FRONT ACROSS THE  
LAKE. NORTHERLY FLOW IS EXPECTED TO QUICKLY INCREASE OVER THE NEXT  
SEVERAL HOURS AND WAVES WILL INCREASE TO 4 FT OR GREATER. THEREFORE,  
WILL MAINTAIN THE CURRENT SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY START TIME IN A FEW  
HOURS. BEHIND THE FRONT TONIGHT, WEST WINDS WILL BECOME FAVORED OVER  
THE LAKE AND REMAIN THAT WAY THROUGH FRIDAY AND INTO THE WEEKEND AS  
A TROUGH SETTLES ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES. WINDS MAY GET OVER 20 KT  
OVER THE WESTERN BASIN AND THERE MAY NEED TO BE AN EXTENSION IN THE  
SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY HEADLINE WESTWARD. WINDS MAY SWAY BETWEEN WEST-  
SOUTHWEST AND WEST-NORTHWEST THROUGH THE WEEKEND AS LAKE EFFECT SNOW  
BANDS WILL DEVELOP OVER THE BASIN AND ALLOW FOR SOME SLIGHT WIND  
CHANGES BUT OVERALL WINDS SHOULD UTILIZE THE LONG FETCH OF THE LAKE  
AND ALLOW FOR WAVES TO INCREASE GREATLY. THE SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY IS  
CURRENTLY IN EFFECT UNTIL 12Z MONDAY BUT THE TROUGH SHOULD BE IN  
PLACE THROUGH TUESDAY AND EXTENSIONS WILL LIKELY BE NEEDED.  
 

 
   
CLE WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES
 
 
OH...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO 10 AM EST  
SATURDAY FOR OHZ011.  
LAKE EFFECT SNOW WARNING FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO 10 AM EST  
SATURDAY FOR OHZ012>014-089.  
PA...LAKE EFFECT SNOW WARNING FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO 10 AM EST  
SATURDAY FOR PAZ001>003.  
MARINE...SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY UNTIL 7 AM EST MONDAY FOR LEZ144>149.  
 

 
 

 
 
SYNOPSIS...26  
NEAR TERM...26  
SHORT TERM...SEFCOVIC  
LONG TERM...SEFCOVIC  
AVIATION...26  
MARINE...SEFCOVIC  
 
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