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FXUS61 KCLE 010544  
AFDCLE  
 
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CLEVELAND OH  
1244 AM EST SUN DEC 1 2024  
   
SYNOPSIS  
 
A SURFACE TROUGH WILL CONTINUE TO IMPACT THE AREA INTO EARLY NEXT  
WEEK. A BRIEF RIDGE TRIES TO BUILD NORTHWARD ACROSS THE OHIO  
VALLEY TUESDAY INTO WEDNESDAY. ANOTHER LOW PRESSURE WILL TRACK  
EAST ACROSS THE UPPER GREAT LAKES INTO QUEBEC BY THURSDAY,  
MOVING A COLD FRONT THROUGH THE AREA WEDNESDAY NIGHT.  
 
 
   
NEAR TERM /THROUGH TODAY/  
 
9:30 PM UPDATE...  
THE LAKE-EFFECT SNOW BAND HAS BEGUN ITS SHIFT BACK TO THE  
SOUTH. THIS TREND WILL BE MONITORED OVERNIGHT, WITH MODERATE TO  
HEAVY SNOW STARTING ALONG THE ERIE, PA LAKESHORE AFTER 06 OR 07Z  
AND ALONG THE LAKE AND ASHTABULA COUNTY SHORES BY SUNRISE.  
CURRENT SNOW AMOUNTS AND TIMING LOOKS REASONABLE. CLEANED UP THE  
WORDING IN THE WINTER WEATHER HEADLINES TO REFLECT THE NEW  
SNOWFALL AND IMPACTS ON TOP OF WHAT HAS ALREADY FALLEN. THERE  
REMAINS SOME UNCERTAINTY IN CRAWFORD COUNTY, PA WITH HOW FAR  
SOUTH THE BAND WILL REACH SUNDAY. IT MAY NOT GET INTO NORTHERN  
PARTS OF THE COUNTY UNTIL SUNDAY NIGHT, AND THIS COULD CHANGE  
SNOWFALL TOTALS THERE. GIVEN THE UNCERTAINTY, KEPT CRAWFORD IN A  
WATCH FOR ONE MORE CYCLE.  
 
WE WANT TO AGAIN EMPHASIZE THAT AREAS ALONG THE LAKESHORE AND  
I-90 CORRIDOR FROM ABOUT MADISON AND PERRY, OHIO TO ERIE AND  
NORTH EAST, PA HAVE RECEIVED 25 TO 45 INCHES OF SNOW SINCE  
THURSDAY NIGHT. RECOVERY OPERATIONS ARE ONGOING IN THESE AREAS,  
SO THE ADDITIONAL 12 TO 24+ INCHES EARLY SUNDAY INTO TUESDAY  
WILL EXACERBATE THE SITUATION. PLEASE DO NOT VENTURE INTO THESE  
AREAS. ROADS ARE LIKELY TO BECOME IMPASSABLE AGAIN, SO  
TRAVELING IN THESE AREAS WILL BE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS WITH THE  
RISK OF BECOMING STUCK.  
 
6:30 PM UPDATE...  
 
THE OVERALL THINKING OF THE FORECAST HAS NOT CHANGED. THE  
PERSISTENT LAKE-EFFECT SNOW BAND IS LIKELY AT ITS MOST OFFSHORE  
POSITION OVER THE NEXT 5 HOURS OR SO. THE BAND CURRENTLY  
STRETCHES FROM THE NW BASIN OF THE LAKE TO THE BUFFALO SOUTH  
TOWNS. THIS BAND SHOULD REMAIN NEARLY STATIONARY THROUGH ABOUT  
05Z, OCCASIONALLY CLIPPING NE ERIE COUNTY WITH LIGHT SNOW.  
OTHERWISE, JUST FLURRIES WILL CONTINUE OVER EASTERN LAKE,  
NORTHERN ASHTABULA, AND NW ERIE COUNTIES. AFTER 05Z, THE BAND  
WILL BEGIN TO INCH SLOWLY BACK SOUTHWARD AS THE BOUNDARY LAYER  
FLOW VEERS TOWARD 260-270 DEGREES IN RESPONSE TO A WEAK  
SHORTWAVE AND ASSOCIATED SURFACE TROUGH CROSSING THE REGION.  
THIS WILL START TO BRING THE BAND BACK INTO MORE OF NORTHERN  
ERIE COUNTY FIRST, INCLUDING THE CITY OF ERIE, BEFORE AFFECTING  
NORTHERN PORTIONS OF ASHTABULA AND LAKE COUNTIES TOWARD  
SUNRISE. ONCE THIS BAND REORIENTS WEST-EAST LATE TONIGHT AND  
SUNDAY, IT SHOULD BE VERY SLOW TO MOVE VERY FAR INLAND DUE TO  
RENEWED STRENGTHENING OF THE THERMAL LAKE AGGREGATE TROUGH NEAR  
THE SOUTH SHORE. ADJUSTED POPS THIS EVENING THROUGH SUNDAY NIGHT  
TO ACCOUNT FOR THE LATEST PROJECTIONS ON HOW THE BAND MIGHT  
MOVE, AND TIMED THE SLOW MOVEMENT BETWEEN THE RGEM AND WRF-ARW  
POSITIONING SINCE THEY HAVE THE BEST HANDLE ON THE THERMAL  
TROUGHING AND RESULTANT STRONG LOW-LEVEL CONVERGENCE. THIS WILL  
UNFORTUNATELY RESULT IN THE POTENTIAL FOR VERY HEAVY SNOWFALL  
ONCE AGAIN ALONG THE I-90 CORRIDOR SUNDAY INTO SUNDAY NIGHT, BUT  
THIS TIME MORE OF LAKE AND EVENTUALLY NE CUYAHOGA COUNTY WILL  
BE AFFECTED AS MEAN LOW-LEVEL FLOW BECOMES AROUND 280 DEGREES BY  
SUNDAY EVENING COMBINED WITH THE LOW-LEVEL CONVERGENCE. THIS  
WILL ALSO BRING HEAVY SNOW INTO NORTHERN GEAUGA COUNTY BY SUNDAY  
EVENING, SO THE CURRENT WARNINGS LOOK REASONABLE FOR SUNDAY AND  
SUNDAY NIGHT.  
 
ORIGINAL DISCUSSION...  
 
AFTER A RECORD BREAKING LAKE EFFECT SNOWFALL EVENT FOR ERIE PA  
AND PORTIONS OF THE SNOWBELT OF FAR NEOH AND NWPA, WE ARE IN A  
LULL THIS AFTERNOON AS THE MAIN SNOW BAND HAS SHIFT OFFSHORE  
OVER LAKE ERIE. SOME AREAS HAVE SEEN SOME SUNSHINE THIS  
AFTERNOON BUT TEMPERATURES HAVE STAYED BELOW FREEZING ALL DAY.  
THE BREAK WITH THE HEAVY SNOWFALL WILL BE SHORT BECAUSE WE ARE  
EXPECTING PART 2 OF THIS MULTI-DAY LAKE EFFECT SNOW EVENT TO  
START UP AGAIN LATER TONIGHT AND CONTINUE FOR A COUPLE MORE  
DAYS.  
 
A LARGE CYCLONIC FLOW CONTINUES OVER THE GREAT LAKES REGION  
WITH THE CENTER OF THIS SYSTEM SOUTH OF JAMES BAY CANADA THIS  
AFTERNOON. THIS AXIS OF THIS MID AND UPPER LEVEL TROUGH WILL  
MOVE TOWARDS SOUTHERN AND SOUTHEASTERN QUEBEC BY SUNDAY NIGHT.  
THE LOW LEVEL FLOW HAS BRIEFLY BECOME MORE WEST-SOUTHWESTERLY  
THIS AFTERNOON WHICH HAS HELPED PUSH THE MAIN LAKE EFFECT SNOW  
BAND AND MOST OF THE LAKE EFFECT SNOW SHOWERS JUST OFFSHORE OF  
NEOH AND NWPA. THERE IS A SMALLER SECONDARY AND LESS ORGANIZED  
LAKE EFFECT SNOW BAND HUGGING THE LAKESHORE AREAS OF LAKE AND  
ASHTABULA COUNTIES THIS AFTERNOON. THIS SECONDARY LAKE EFFECT  
BAND WILL CONTINUE THROUGH THE EVENING.  
 
THE LOW LEVEL FLOW IS EXPECTED TO BECOME MORE WESTERLY TONIGHT  
INTO SUNDAY MORNING AND THE CONVERGENT FOR THE MAIN LES WILL  
SLOWLY COME BACK SOUTHWARD CLOSER TO THE LAKESHORE OF NEOH AND  
NWPA. ANOTHER TROUGH WILL SWING THROUGH THE EASTERN GREAT LAKES  
ON SUNDAY AND THE LOW LEVEL FLOW WILL EVENTUALLY BECOME WEST-  
NORTHWESTERLY BY LATE IN THE DAY. WE EXPECTED THE MAIN WEST TO  
EAST SNOW BAND WILL BECOME MORE DIFFUSE INTO MULTI BANDS GIVEN  
THE MORE NORTHWESTERLY, 270 TO 290 DEGREES FLOW LATE SUNDAY  
THROUGH SUNDAY NIGHT. THIS WILL PUT MORE OF PRIMARY SNOWBELT AND  
PORTIONS OF THE SECONDARY SNOWBELT INTO THE POTENTIAL FOR LAKE  
EFFECT SNOW LATE SUNDAY THROUGH SUNDAY NIGHT.  
 
WE HAVE UPGRADE GEAUGA AND CUYAHOGA COUNTIES TO A LAKE EFFECT  
SNOW WARNING STARTING SUNDAY AFTERNOON. FOR CUYAHOGA COUNTY,  
THIS LAKE EFFECT SNOW WARNING AND THE HEAVIEST SNOWFALL WILL BE  
MAINLY FOR THE EASTERN HALF OF THE COUNTY. FOR THE CLEVELAND  
AREA AND EASTWARD, THE POTENTIAL FOR HEAVY LAKE EFFECT SNOW WILL  
INCREASE AFTER SUNSET SUNDAY EVENING THROUGH THE NIGHT. WE HAVE  
MADE NO CHANGES TO THE WINTER STORM WATCH FOR CRAWFORD COUNTY  
PA AT THIS TIME DUE TO SOME UNCERTAINTY. FOR EXPECTED SNOWFALL  
TOTALS, AMOUNTS, AND TIMING FOR EACH COUNTY IN THE HEADLINES,  
SEE THE WSW TEXT PRODUCT OR THE GRAPHICS ON OUR WEBPAGE.  
 
ELSEWHERE OUTSIDE OF THE IMPACTED SNOWBELT REGION, WE ARE  
EXPECTED PARTLY CLOUDY TO MOSTLY CLOUDY SKIES. THERE COULD BE A  
PASSING LIGHT SNOW SHOWER OR FLURRIES FROM TIME TO TIME BUT WE  
ARE NOT EXPECTING ANY SNOWFALL OR WINTER WEATHER IMPACTS. HIGH  
TEMPERATURES WILL BE IN THE UPPER 20S TO LOW 30S SUNDAY.  
OVERNIGHT LOW TEMPS WILL IN THE UPPER TEENS AND LOWER 20S.  
 
 
   
SHORT TERM /TONIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY NIGHT/  
 
ACTIVE WEATHER WILL CONTINUE FOR THE SHORT TERM PERIOD AS LAKE  
EFFECT SNOW CONTINUES ACROSS THE SNOWBELT UNDERNEATH PRIMARILY  
NORTHWEST FLOW ALOFT. TWO AREAS OF INTEREST IN PARTICULARY COULD  
YIELD THE HIGHEST SNOW AMOUNTS - THE FIRST BEING FAR EASTERN  
CUYAHOGA, SOUTHERN LAKE, AND NORTHERN GEAUGA COUNTIES, WHERE SURFACE  
CONVERGENCE COULD RESULT IN A STRONGER BAND PRODUCING LOCALIZED  
HIGHER SNOW AMOUNTS. THIS COULD HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON THE  
MONDAY MORNING COMMUTE ACROSS THE AREA. THE SECOND AREA OF CONCERN  
IS ACROSS NORTHWEST PENNSYLVANIA WHERE NORTHWEST FLOW OFF OF LAKE  
HURON MAY ADD ADDITIONAL LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE, ENHANCING ANY EXISTING  
SNOW BANDS. THERE STILL REMAINS SOME DEGREE OF UNCERTAINTY ON THE  
INTENSITY AND GENERAL ORGANIZATION OF THE LAKE EFFECT SNOW ON MONDAY  
GIVEN INCREASING BOUNDARY LAYER SHEAR AND SHORTER FETCH.  
 
BY MONDAY NIGHT INTO TUESDAY, A RIDGE WILL BEGIN TO BUILD EAST  
ACROSS THE MIDWEST, THOUGH CONTINUED WESTERLY FLOW ALOFT AND A  
CHILLY AIR MASS OVERHEAD SHOULD MAINTAIN LAKE EFFECT SNOW ACROSS  
PORTIONS OF FAR NORTHEAST OHIO AND NORTHWEST PENNSYLVANIA THROUGH  
MUCH OF TUESDAY. WE WILL MAINTAIN THE CURRENT HEADLINE END TIME OF 7  
AM TUESDAY FOR THIS PACKAGE, THOUGH CAN'T RULE OUT EXTENSIONS INTO  
TUESDAY AFTERNOON. LAKE EFFECT SNOW IS EXPECTED TO END LATE TUESDAY  
NIGHT AS FLOW ALOFT SHIFTS TOWARDS THE SOUTHWEST AND PUSHES ANY  
LINGERING SNOW NORTH ACROSS LAKE ERIE.  
 
 
   
LONG TERM /WEDNESDAY THROUGH SATURDAY/  
 
THE ACTIVE WEATHER PATTERN WILL CONTINUE FOR THE LONG TERM PERIOD AS  
ANOTHER LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM DIGS SOUTHEAST ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES.  
THIS SYSTEM WILL LIKELY BRING A BRIEF PERIOD OF WIDESPREAD LIGHT  
SNOW ACROSS THE REGION LATE WEDNESDAY INTO THURSDAY. THIS SYSTEM  
WILL BRING ANOTHER COLD AIR MASS SOUTHWARD ACROSS THE REGION TOWARDS  
THE END OF THE WEEK AND INTO THE WEEKEND, WITH LOW TO MODERATE  
PROBABILITIES (30 TO 50%) THAT 850 MB TEMPERATURES COULD DROP TO  
AT LEAST -14C. THIS COLD AIR MASS WILL BE ACCOMPANIED BY  
NORTHWEST FLOW WHICH WILL RESULT IN ADDITIONAL LAKE EFFECT SNOW  
SHOWERS ACROSS THE SNOWBELT AND PERHAPS HIGHER COVERAGE ACROSS  
THE SECONDARY SNOWBELT THIS TIME AROUND.  
 
BELOW AVERAGE TEMPERATURES WILL PERSIST FOR THE LONG TERM PERIOD  
WITH HIGHS IN THE UPPER 20S TO LOWER 30S. IN ADDITION, SINGLE DIGIT  
WIND CHILLS ARE LIKELY TO RETURN DURING THE OVERNIGHT AND EARLY  
MORNING HOURS.  
 
 
   
AVIATION /06Z SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY/  
 
WIDESPREAD VFR CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED TO PERSIST FOR ALL  
TERMINALS OUTSIDE OF THE SNOWBELT. WINDS THROUGH THE PERIOD WILL  
REMAIN FROM THE WEST-SOUTHWEST AT 5-10 KNOTS WITH LOCAL GUSTS UP  
TO 20 KNOTS NEAREST TO THE LAKESHORE.  
 
PERIODS OF DIMINISHED CONDITIONS TO LIFR VISIBILITIES DUE TO  
HEAVY SNOWFALL REMAIN POSSIBLE AT KERI THROUGH THIS TAF PERIOD  
AS WELL AS THE LAKE EFFECT BAND THAT HAS IMPACTED THE TERMINALS  
SHIFTS BACK SOUTH TODAY INTO TONIGHT. IN ADDITION, BLOWING SNOW  
REMAINS POSSIBLE AT KERI AS WIND GUSTS ALONG THE LAKESHORE  
REMAIN 20-25 KNOTS FROM THE WEST-SOUTHWEST.  
 
THIS LAKE EFFECT BAND IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE TO SINK SOUTH,  
POTENTIALLY IMPACTING KCLE NEAR THE END OF THE PERIOD.  
CONFIDENCE IS HIGH THAT THERE WILL BE SOME SNOW SHOWERS AT THE  
TERMINAL, HOWEVER THE FULL EXTENT OF IMPACT REMAINS UNCERTAIN  
WITH THE POSITIONING OF THE BAND. OPTED TO INTRODUCE SNOW  
SHOWERS AT 06Z MONDAY WITH CEILINGS LOWERING TO MVFR HEIGHTS.  
WILL HAVE TO MONITOR FOR ANY SHIFTS IN WINDS AND POTENTIAL  
IMPACTS TO THE TERMINAL.  
 
OUTLOOK...NON-VFR LIKELY IN LAKE-EFFECT SNOW BANDS THROUGH  
TUESDAY. THE HEAVIEST AND MOST-PERSISTENT LAKE-EFFECT SNOW IN  
OUR REGION IS EXPECTED TO IMPACT THE PRIMARY SNOWBELT IN FAR  
NORTHEAST OHIO AND NORTHWEST PENNSYLVANIA.  
 
 
   
MARINE  
 
ROUGH MARINE CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED TO PERSIST THROUGH AT LEAST MID-  
NEXT WEEK FOR MUCH OF LAKE ERIE. FLOW WILL PRIMARILY REMAIN WEST TO  
NORTHWEST, 15 TO 25 KNOTS, THROUGH TUESDAY, BEFORE BECOMING  
SOUTHWEST, 25 TO 30 KNOTS, ON WEDNESDAY. WILL NEED TO MONITOR TRENDS  
FOR POTENTIAL GALE CONDITIONS BEHIND A COLD FRONT WEDNESDAY NIGHT  
INTO THURSDAY AS WINDS SHIFT TOWARDS THE NORTHWEST, AROUND 30 KNOTS.  
 
THE LOW WATER ADVISORY REMAINS ACROSS THE WESTERN BASIN AS WATER  
LEVELS AT TOLEDO HOVER AROUND THE CRITICAL MARK OF 2 INCHES ABOVE  
LOW WATER DATUM. HAVE MAINTAINED THE CURRENT END TIME OF 10 PM THIS  
EVENING AS WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO SHIFT TOWARDS THE WEST.  
 
 
   
CLE WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES  
 
OH...LAKE EFFECT SNOW WARNING FROM NOON TODAY TO 7 AM EST TUESDAY  
FOR OHZ011-013.  
LAKE EFFECT SNOW WARNING UNTIL 7 AM EST TUESDAY FOR OHZ012-014-  
089.  
PA...LAKE EFFECT SNOW WARNING UNTIL 7 AM EST TUESDAY FOR PAZ001-002.  
WINTER STORM WATCH FROM NOON EST TODAY THROUGH TUESDAY MORNING  
FOR PAZ003.  
MARINE...SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY UNTIL 7 AM EST WEDNESDAY FOR LEZ145>149.  
 
 
 
 
 
SYNOPSIS...GRIFFIN  
NEAR TERM...GARUCKAS/GRIFFIN  
SHORT TERM...KAHN  
LONG TERM...KAHN  
AVIATION...CAMPBELL  
MARINE...KAHN  
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