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FXUS61 KCLE 030018  
AFDCLE  
 
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CLEVELAND OH  
718 PM EST MON DEC 2 2024  
   
SYNOPSIS
 
 
A TROUGH LINGERS ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES THROUGH TUESDAY. HIGH  
PRESSURE QUICKLY SLIDES THROUGH THE OHIO VALLEY TUESDAY NIGHT. A  
POTENT LOW PRESSURE DROPS THROUGH THE EASTERN GREAT LAKES WEDNESDAY  
NIGHT INTO THURSDAY, PUSHING AN ARCTIC COLD FRONT ACROSS THE LOCAL  
AREA WEDNESDAY NIGHT.  
 

 
   
NEAR TERM /THROUGH TUESDAY NIGHT/
 
 
6:30 PM UPDATE...  
 
ANOTHER MID-LEVEL SHORTWAVE IS CROSSING THE REGION THIS EVENING,  
AND THE ASSOCIATED SURFACE TROUGH APPEARS TO BE HALFWAY ACROSS  
THE LAKE. THIS IS STILL SUPPORTING A FLARE UP IN THE LAKE-EFFECT  
SNOW SHOWERS, WITH A DEFINED BAND FROM CENTRAL LAKE COUNTY  
THROUGH NORTHERN AND CENTRAL GEAUGA COUNTY AND EXTENDING  
SOUTHEASTWARD INTO SOUTHERN ASHTABULA AND NORTHERN TRUMBULL  
COUNTIES. THIS BAND WILL DRIFT SOUTH AND SOUTHWESTWARD AS THE  
TROUGH PUSHES ONSHORE AND SHOULD BRING BRIEF SQUALLS INTO  
EASTERN CUYAHOGA, SUMMIT, PORTAGE, AND MAHONING COUNTIES LATER  
THIS EVENING BEFORE BREAKING APART. SUBSIDENCE AND INCREASED  
SHEAR COMBINED WITH A SHORTER NW FETCH WILL CAUSE THE LAKE-  
EFFECT SNOW TO BE LIGHT AND DISORGANIZED BEHIND THIS FEATURE, SO  
EXPECT MAINLY NUISANCE SNOW FROM ABOUT 03Z THROUGH THE EARLY  
MORNING HOURS BEFORE ANOTHER SHORTWAVE CAUSES ANOTHER FLARE UP  
TOWARD SUNRISE.  
 
NW PA HAS THE BEST CHANCE FOR MORE ORGANIZED LAKE-EFFECT SNOW  
SQUALLS THIS EVENING AND OVERNIGHT AS THE FLOW VEERING MORE NW  
(ABOUT 320 DEGREES) WILL BRING THE LAKE HURON FEEDER BAND INTO  
EASTERN PORTIONS OF ERIE AND NORTHERN CRAWFORD COUNTY. THIS  
WILL CONTINUE TO PRODUCE LOCALLY HEAVY SNOWFALL, WITH OFF AND ON  
SQUALLS OF LIGHT TO MODERATE SNOW OUTSIDE OF THE FEEDER BAND.  
WITH THIS ALL IN MIND, THE SNOWFALL FORECAST LOOKS GOOD  
OVERNIGHT. MOST OF THE SNOW IN LAKE, GEAUGA, AND ASHTABULA  
COUNTIES WILL LIKELY OCCUR THIS EVENING BEFORE THE LULL, WITH  
THE HEAVIEST AMOUNTS IN NW PA AS STATED ABOVE.  
 
ORIGINAL DISCUSSION...  
 
LAKE EFFECT SNOW CONTINUES IN THE "PRIMARY SNOWBELT" EAST OF  
CLEVELAND ACROSS FAR NORTHEASTERN OHIO AND NORTHWESTERN PENNSYLVANIA  
AS WE HEAD TOWARDS THIS EVENING. HOWEVER, WE ARE PAST THE PEAK OF  
THE EVENT AND ARE NOW INTO THE SLOW, AGONIZING RAMP DOWN WHERE IT  
KEEPS SNOWING JUST ENOUGH TO BE ANNOYING WHILE RECOVERY AND DIGGING  
OUT CONTINUE WHERE FEET OF SNOW HAVE FALLEN OVER RECENT DAYS.  
 
THERMODYNAMICS REMAIN FAIRLY CONDUCIVE FOR LAKE EFFECT SNOW WITH  
RELATIVELY EFFICIENT SNOW RATIOS, THOUGH A FAIR AMOUNT OF WIND  
SHEAR, DIMINISHING SYNOPTIC SUPPORT AS THE DEEP TROUGH STARTS  
LIFTING OUT AND AS SURFACE HIGH PRESSURE STARTS BUILDING IN FROM THE  
SOUTHWEST, AND SOME DRIER CONTINENTAL AIR CONTINUING TO ADVECT IN  
FROM THE WEST-SOUTHWEST ARE ALL ACTING TO KEEP BANDS RELATIVELY  
LESS ORGANIZED AND NOT AS INTENSE AS THEY WERE THROUGH SUNDAY.  
 
WE STILL HAVE TWO RELATIVELY MORE INTENSE AND ORGANIZED BANDS  
WAVERING ACROSS PARTS OF THE SNOWBELT...ONE CONNECTED TO LAKE  
HURON, WHICH IS LARGELY GOING INTO WESTERN NY AT THE MOMENT BUT HAS  
BEEN GRAZING NORTHEASTERN ERIE COUNTY AT TIMES. ANOTHER BAND, WHICH  
HASN'T BEEN QUITE AS INTENSE AT TIMES BUT IS FLARING AS OF THIS  
WRITING (4 PM), IS A MORE W-E ORIENTED BAND FROM LAKE COUNTY INTO  
NORTHERN GEAUGA COUNTY AND ASHTABULA COUNTY. A COMBINATION OF BROAD  
CONVERGENCE AND UPLIFT FROM THE SHORELINE INTO THE HIGHER TERRAIN IS  
CAUSING LESS-ORGANIZED SNOW SHOWERS ACROSS THE REMAINDER OF THE  
PRIMARY SNOWBELT. ACTIVITY IS CURRENTLY INTENSIFYING AND HAS FOCUSED  
A BIT FARTHER NORTH AHEAD OF A SUBTLE TROUGH AXIS THAT WILL SWING  
THROUGH THIS EVENING. WINDS VEER MORE NORTHWESTERLY OVER THE LAKE  
BEHIND THE TROUGH INTO TONIGHT, WHICH WILL LIKELY PUSH ACTIVITY A  
BIT FARTHER INLAND AND SOUTHWEST. HOWEVER, THIS WILL ALSO INCREASE  
SHEAR, WHICH ALONG WITH WEAK SUBSIDENCE BEHIND THE TROUGH SHOULD  
CAUSE ACTIVITY TO BECOME LESS INTENSE AND DISORGANIZED FOR SEVERAL  
HOURS LATE THIS EVENING INTO THE OVERNIGHT. THE EXCEPTION WILL BE  
THE LAKE HURON-CONNECTED BAND, WHICH SHOULD SWING A BIT FARTHER WEST  
BEHIND THE TROUGH AND COULD AGAIN IMPACT NORTHEASTERN ERIE COUNTY.  
ANOTHER SHORTWAVE WILL MOVE THROUGH DURING THE MORNING TO MIDDAY  
TIMEFRAME ON TUESDAY, LIKELY AGAIN CAUSING ACTIVITY TO FOCUS CLOSER  
TO THE LAKESHORE WHILE BECOMING A BIT MORE ORGANIZED/INTENSE. BEHIND  
THIS SHORTWAVE HIGH PRESSURE WILL START QUICKLY BUILDING IN TOWARDS  
TUESDAY NIGHT, WHICH WILL (FINALLY) CAUSE THE LAKE EFFECT TO BEGIN  
SHIFTING NORTHEAST UP THE SHORELINE. LAKE EFFECT MAY CONTINUE ACROSS  
FAR NORTHEAST OH THROUGH MOST OF THE DAY TUESDAY, AND PROBABLY  
WON'T COMPLETELY END IN ERIE COUNTY UNTIL TUESDAY NIGHT.  
 
IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL ACCUMULATIONS THROUGH TUESDAY EVENING, HAVE  
AN ADDITIONAL 4 TO 10" ACROSS MOST OF ERIE COUNTY, HIGHEST IN THE  
HIGHER TERRAIN JUST SOUTH OF I-90. THIS INCREASES TO 12 TO LOCALLY  
18" ACROSS FAR EASTERN ERIE COUNTY DUE TO INFLUENCE FROM LAKE HURON.  
AMOUNTS DROP OFF TO ABOUT 2 TO 6" IN CRAWFORD COUNTY, HIGHEST NEAR  
THE ERIE COUNTY BORDER. INTO THE OHIO SNOWBELT, GENERALLY HAVE 2 TO  
5" OF ADDITIONAL SNOWFALL IN THE FORECAST FROM FAR NORTHEAST  
CUYAHOGA COUNTY POINTS EAST. AMOUNTS QUICKLY DROP OFF TO 1" OR LESS  
ACROSS THE REST OF CUYAHOGA COUNTY. HAVE A SMALL BULLSEYE OF 4 TO  
7" ADDITIONAL FOCUSED ON THE LAKE, NORTHERN GEAUGA, AND WESTERN  
ASHTABULA COUNTY AREA DUE TO THE MORE ORGANIZED BAND THAT HAS BEEN  
IMPACTING THIS AREA AT TIMES SINCE SUNDAY AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO  
(INTERMITTENTLY) THROUGH AT LEAST MIDDAY TUESDAY. GIVEN HOW  
EFFICIENT SNOW GROWTH ALOFT WILL BE, IF THIS BAND CAN FOCUS ON AN  
AREA FOR A LONG ENOUGH PERIOD OF TIME THERE COULD STILL BE A  
LOCALIZED HIGHER AMOUNT SOMEWHERE IN LAKE OR FAR NORTHERN GEAUGA.  
BEHIND THE TROUGH PASSAGE THIS EVENING WE'LL SEE ACTIVITY SHIFT  
INLAND TOWARDS TRUMBULL AND NORTHEASTERN PORTAGE COUNTY, WHERE 1 TO  
3 INCHES IS POSSIBLE THROUGH THE DAY TUESDAY.  
 
FOR HEADLINES, MAINTAINED ALL WARNINGS AND END TIMES AS IS FOR LAKE,  
GEAUGA, ASHTABULA, ERIE, AND CRAWFORD COUNTIES. ADDITIONAL AMOUNTS  
ARE MARGINAL FOR A WARNING OUTSIDE OF ERIE COUNTY, THOUGH SUSPECT A  
SMALL AREA IN PARTS OF LAKE AND NORTHERN GEAUGA MAY STILL SEE  
ADDITIONAL WARNING AMOUNTS, AND GIVEN THAT PARTS OF THESE AREAS ARE  
DIGGING OUT FROM A MASSIVE DUMP OF SNOW DON'T SEE MUCH GAIN IN  
GETTING CUTE AND DOWNGRADING A COUNTY OR TWO TO AN ADVISORY. SNOW  
WILL CONTINUE ACROSS PARTS OF LAKE, NORTHERN GEAUGA, ASHTABULA, AND  
PERHAPS NORTHERN CRAWFORD AFTER THE 7 AM TUESDAY EXPIRATION, THOUGH  
IT GENERALLY WON'T BE SIGNIFICANT. FUTURE SHIFTS CAN TAKE ANOTHER  
LOOK AT THOSE EXPIRATION TIMES, HOWEVER. FOR NOW WILL MAINTAIN THE  
ADVISORY FOR CUYAHOGA, AS DESPITE BEST EFFORTS TO HEDGE LOW ON THE  
SOUTHWESTERN FRINGE OF THINGS WE STILL HAVE UP TO A FEW INCHES OF  
SNOW IN THE FORECAST FOR THE EUCLID/RICHMOND HEIGHTS/MAYFIELD AREA.  
THIS IS NOT OF HIGH CONFIDENCE. IT IS POSSIBLE THE BAND CURRENTLY  
COMING INTO LAKE/NORTHERN GEAUGA COUNTIES SHIFTS SOUTHWEST INTO  
TONIGHT BEHIND THE TROUGH PASSAGE AND DROPS SNOW ON NORTHEASTERN  
CUYAHOGA COUNTY. HOWEVER, THERE IS LIKELY ROOM FOR THE ADVISORY TO  
BE CANCELED LATER THIS EVENING IF THAT ISN'T COMING TO FRUITION.  
 

 
   
SHORT TERM /WEDNESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY NIGHT/
 
 
STRONG UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH AND LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM MOVE SOUTHEAST  
ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES REGION WEDNESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY WITH LATEST  
12Z MODEL GUIDANCE CONTINUING TO TREND TOWARD A DEEPER AND MORE  
AMPLIFIED UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH. VARIOUS IMPACTS FROM THIS LOW PRESSURE  
SYSTEM ARE EXPECTED THROUGH THE DURATION OF THE SHORT TERM FORECAST,  
STARTING WITH STRONG SOUTHWEST WIND GUSTS OF 35-45 MPH AS A STRONG  
LOW-LEVEL JET (MODEL MEAN OF 50-55 KTS AT 850MB) MOVES WITHIN THE  
"WARM SECTOR" OF THE LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM. THERE IS A LOW CHANCE THAT  
A WIND ADVISORY IS NEED WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON, MAINLY FOR THE WESTERN  
PORTION OF THE FORECAST AREA WEST OF I-71 BUT IT DEPENDS IF WE ARE  
ABLE TO DEVELOP A DEEP ENOUGH BOUNDARY LAYER TO TAP INTO THOSE VERY  
STRONG WINDS ALOFT. IT'S UNCERTAIN IF THIS HAPPENS BECAUSE MOST  
MODELS HAVE OVERCAST SKIES WITH RAIN/SNOW SHOWERS DEVELOPING DURING  
THE AFTERNOON/EVENING HOURS, WHICH IS PROHIBITIVE TO DEEP BOUNDARY  
LAYER MIXING.  
 
A COLD FRONT EXTENDING FROM THE ~992 MB LOW NEAR THE ONTARIO/QUEBEC  
BORDER WILL MOVE SOUTHEAST ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA WEDNESDAY  
EVENING INTO WEDNESDAY NIGHT. TEMPERATURES SHOULD RAPIDLY DROP FROM  
AFTERNOON/EVENING HIGHS IN THE MID TO UPPER 30S TO AROUND 20 DEGREES  
WEDNESDAY NIGHT. SNOW SHOWERS ARE EXPECTED WITH AND BEHIND THE  
FRONT, WITH VARIABLE, AREAWIDE SNOWFALL ACCUMULATIONS. MOST  
LOCATIONS SHOULD GET AT LEAST 0.5" BUT WHEREVER BETTER SNOW SHOWERS  
DEVELOP, UPWARDS OF 2-3" COULD BE POSSIBLE. MODEL DATA DOES SUGGEST  
A VERY FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT FOR SNOW SQUALLS AREAWIDE WEDNESDAY  
NIGHT, WITH A STRONG PRESSURE DROP/RISE WITH THE COLD FRONT AND HIGH  
LOW-LEVEL LAPSE RATES AND LOW-LEVEL CAPE BEHIND THE FRONT.  
THANKFULLY, THE OVERNIGHT TIMING WILL MAKE THESE SNOW SQUALLS LESS  
IMPACTFUL, WITH MOST HEAVY SNOW SQUALLS DONE BY THE THURSDAY MORNING  
COMMUTES (ASIDE FROM LAKE EFFECT).  
 
WITHIN THE SNOWBELT OF NORTHEAST OHIO AND NORTHWEST PENNSYLVANIA  
(INCLUDING THE SECONDARY SNOWBELT), THERE WILL LIKELY BE AT LEAST  
SOME ISOLATED TO SCATTERED SNOWBELT DURING THE DAY WEDNESDAY, MAINLY  
DURING THE AFTERNOON AHEAD OF THE COLD FRONT. ONCE THE COLD FRONT  
MOVES SOUTHEAST ACROSS LAKE ERIE, COLD AIR ALOFT (CHARACTERIZED BY  
850 TEMPERATURES OF -12 TO -15 C) WILL IMMEDIATELY USHER IN AND  
RESULT IN THE DEVELOP OF LAKE EFFECT SNOW WEDNESDAY NIGHT. LATEST HI-  
RES MODEL GUIDANCE (E.G. NAM NEST) SUGGESTS THAT THERE COULD  
INITIALLY BE A RATHER INTENSE BAND OF SNOW THAT DEVELOPS NEAR THE  
LAKESHORE, WITH LAKE EFFECT SNOW CONTINUING WITHIN WEST FLOW  
WEDNESDAY NIGHT, BECOMING NORTHWEST BY THURSDAY AND THURSDAY  
NIGHT. VARIABLE SNOWFALL AMOUNTS ARE EXPECTED, BUT A MINIMUM OF  
2-4" IS EXPECTED IN THE PRIMARY/SECONDARY SNOWBELTS, 4-7" IN THE  
AREA OF EASTERN CUYAHOGA, SOUTHERN LAKE, NORTHERN SUMMIT, AND  
THEN ALL OF GEAUGA, MOST OF PORTAGE/TRUMBULL. HIGHS AMOUNTS OF  
6-12" IS EXPECTED IN ASHTABULA AND ALL OF NORTHWEST  
PENNSYLVANIA, WITH LOCALLY HIGHER AMOUNTS IN SOUTHERN ERIE AND  
NORTHERN CRAWFORD. VERY STRONG WINDS ARE EXPECTED, WHICH MAY  
CARRY SNOWBANDS FURTHER INLAND THAT WHAT IS USUALLY EXPECTED,  
AND COULD ALSO LIMIT LAKESHORE ZONES, EXCEPT WHERE THE HURON  
CONNECTION BAND SETS UP (WHICH CURRENTLY SHOULD SET UP  
PRIMARILY OVER THE PA COUNTIES). STRONG WINDS WILL ALSO RESULT  
IN BLOWING SNOW FOR ANY AREAS THAT RECEIVE AT LEAST A COUPLE  
INCHES (MAINLY IN THE SNOWBELT). THERE IS SOME POTENTIAL FOR  
BLIZZARD OR NEAR-BLIZZARD CONDITIONS, PARTICULARLY FOR COUNTIES  
CLOSER TO LAKE ERIE (E.G. CUYAHOGA, LAKE, ASHTABULA, AND ERIE,  
PA) WITH PARTICULARLY STRONG FLOW OFF OF LAKE ERIE. IT'S  
POSSIBLE THAT THE CURRENT SNOW ON THE GROUND FROM THE HEAVY  
SNOW THAT OCCURRED THIS PAST WEEKEND COULD CONTRIBUTE TO  
INCREASING IMPACTS.  
 

 
   
LONG TERM /FRIDAY THROUGH MONDAY/
 
 
SCATTERED LAKE EFFECT SNOW CONTINUES MAINLY IN NORTHWEST  
PENNSYLVANIA ON FRIDAY AND FRIDAY NIGHT AS HIGH PRESSURE DIVES  
TO THE WEST AND SOUTH OF THE FORECAST AREA WITH TEMPERATURES  
REMAINING BELOW AVERAGE. ANOTHER CLIPPER MOVES SOUTHEAST ACROSS  
THE GREAT LAKES REGION ALTHOUGH PROBABLY MORE OF A GLANCING  
BLOW TO THE SNOWBELT SATURDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT BEFORE HIGH  
BUILDS IN BRIEFLY. ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE DEPARTING HIGH, SHOULD  
SEE WARMER TEMPERATURES ON SUNDAY/MONDAY WITH RAIN CHANCES AS  
LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM MOVES IN.  
 

 
   
AVIATION /00Z TUESDAY THROUGH SATURDAY/
 
 
LAKE-EFFECT SNOW SHOWERS WILL CONTINUE TO IMPACT KCLE, KYNG, AND  
KERI AT TIMES TONIGHT AND TUESDAY, AND THAT REMAINS THE MAIN  
AVIATION CONCERN. A TROUGH WILL CROSS LAKE ERIE THIS EVENING,  
BRINGING A BURST OF SNOW TO KCLE AND KYNG, AND POSSIBLY CLIPPING  
KCAK AS WELL. VISIBILITIES SHOULD MAINLY STAY VFR AT KCLE AND  
KCAK, BUT A BRIEF PERIOD OF MVFR CANNOT BE RULED OUT, ESPECIALLY  
AT KCLE. KYNG WILL LIKELY DROP TO MVFR AT TIMES IN HEAVIER  
SQUALLS, WITH IFR POSSIBLE TOO. BEHIND THIS TROUGH, LIGHTER  
SNOW SHOWERS AND MAINLY VFR IS EXPECTED THROUGH THE NIGHT. KERI  
IS THE EXCEPTION WHERE BRIEFLY MODERATE TO HEAVY SNOW SHOWERS  
WILL BE MORE FREQUENT, SO EXPECT SOLID MVFR THERE WITH BRIEF  
DROPS TO IFR TONIGHT. THIS WILL LIKELY BE AMENDED WITH FREQUENT  
TEMPO GROUPS.  
 
THE LAKE-EFFECT SNOW SHOWERS WILL GRADUALLY SHIFT EAST TUESDAY,  
WITH ANY SNOW SHOWERS AT KCLE ENDING IN THE MORNING AND ENDING  
BY EARLY AFTERNOON AT KYNG, BUT KERI WILL LIKELY HOLD ONTO LIGHT  
SNOW AND MVFR THROUGH THE DAY, AND BRIEF DROPS TO IFR ARE STILL  
POSSIBLE THERE. OTHERWISE, DRY CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED WITH  
SKIES MAINLY BECOMING MVFR AS A LOWER CLOUD DECK DEVELOPS AHEAD  
OF THE NEXT SYSTEM APPROACHING FOR WEDNESDAY.  
 
OUTLOOK...NON-VFR LIKELY IN SNOW SHOWERS LATE WEDNESDAY THROUGH  
EARLY FRIDAY, ESPECIALLY IN NE OHIO AND NW PA. NON-VFR POSSIBLE  
WITH ADDITIONAL SNOW SHOWERS SATURDAY.  
 

 
   
MARINE
 
 
SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY CONTINUES EAST OF THE ISLANDS WITH WEST  
FLOW OF 15-20 KNOTS THROUGH TUESDAY NIGHT. SOUTHWEST WINDS  
STRENGTHEN ON WEDNESDAY WITH A GALE WATCH BEGINNING 14Z  
WEDNESDAY FOR THE OPEN WATERS OF LAKE ERIE EAST OF THE ISLANDS.  
A COLD FRONT FOLLOWS, WITH WEST TO NORTHWEST GALES DEVELOPING  
WEDNESDAY NIGHT, SO HAVE THE GALE WATCH STARTING AT 04Z  
THURSDAY FOR THE NEARSHORE WATERS. WINDS DIMINISH BELOW GALE  
FORCE THURSDAY EVENING THOUGH SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY IS LIKELY  
NEEDED THROUGH THE END OF THE WEEK.  
 

 
   
CLE WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES
 
 
OH...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY UNTIL 7 AM EST TUESDAY FOR OHZ011.  
LAKE EFFECT SNOW WARNING UNTIL 7 AM EST TUESDAY FOR OHZ012>014-  
089.  
PA...LAKE EFFECT SNOW WARNING UNTIL 7 AM EST TUESDAY FOR PAZ003.  
LAKE EFFECT SNOW WARNING UNTIL 7 PM EST TUESDAY FOR PAZ001-002.  
MARINE...SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY UNTIL 11 PM EST WEDNESDAY FOR LEZ144>149.  
GALE WATCH FROM WEDNESDAY EVENING THROUGH THURSDAY AFTERNOON  
FOR LEZ144>149.  
GALE WATCH FROM WEDNESDAY MORNING THROUGH THURSDAY AFTERNOON  
FOR LEZ164>169.  
 

 
 

 
 
SYNOPSIS...SULLIVAN  
NEAR TERM...GARUCKAS/SULLIVAN  
SHORT TERM...SAUNDERS  
LONG TERM...SAUNDERS  
AVIATION...GARUCKAS  
MARINE...SAUNDERS  
 
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