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GREAT LAKES FREEZE-UP OUTLOOK  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CLEVELAND OH  
139 PM EST TUE NOV 19 2024  
 
...GREAT LAKES ICE SEASON FOR 2024-2025 EXPECTED TO BE BELOW  
AVERAGE ICE COVER...  
 
IN A SUMMARY PREFACE FOR THIS 2ND OUTLOOK, EXPECT A COOL DOWN  
OVERALL MORE TOWARDS NORMAL TEMPERATURES IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, AND  
PERHAPS EVEN A BIT BELOW NORMAL HEADING INTO THE END OF  
NOVEMBER/EARLY DECEMBER TIME FRAME WITH SOME FREEZING TEMPERATURES  
NORTH. GREAT LAKES WATER TEMPERATURES OVERALL CONTINUE TO RUN  
SIGNIFICANTLY ABOVE NORMAL.  
 
AS WE HEAD THROUGH THE LAST HALF OF NOVEMBER AND INTO THE FIRST PART  
OF DECEMBER, FORECAST FUTURE WEATHER PATTERNS FOR THE GREAT LAKES  
REGION ARE EXHIBITING A COLDER TREND COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE SEEN,  
BUT FOR THIS AREA, THAT ESSENTIALLY EQUATES TO MORE TYPICAL WEATHER  
FOR THIS TIME OF YEAR. OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, EXPECTING AN ACTIVE  
PATTERN WITH MULTIPLE LOW PRESSURE SYSTEMS MOVING THROUGH, THE FIRST  
OF WHICH WILL OCCUR THE MIDDLE TO THE END OF THIS WEEK. AN EXPANSIVE  
UPPER LEVEL LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM NOT ONLY BRINGS IN COLDER AIR ALONG  
WITH SOME RAIN/SNOW POTENTIAL, BUT SIGNIFICANT WIND FOR ALL OF THE  
LAKES THAT WILL ALLOW FOR MORE EFFICIENT HEAT REMOVAL, WHICH HAS  
BEEN DECIDEDLY SLOW SO FAR THIS SEASON. OTHER WEATHER SYSTEMS MOVING  
THROUGH MAY ONLY AFFECT CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THE GREAT LAKES, SO  
VARIABILITY IN THE WEATHER FOR EACH PARTICULAR LAKE SHOULD BE  
EXPECTED BEYOND THIS WEEKEND. A BRIEF WARM UP IS EXPECTED EARLY NEXT  
WEEK IN THE SOUTHERN GREAT LAKES. LONG RANGE MODEL ENSEMBLES ARE  
SHOWING ARCTIC AIR SETTLING SOUTHWARD INTO THE NORTHERN GREAT LAKES  
BEYOND THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK WHERE WE COULD SEE OUR FIRST PERIOD  
WHERE TEMPERATURES DO NOT CLIMB ABOVE FREEZING DURING THE DAY FOR  
OUR FAR NORTHERN LOCATIONS. BUT THE TREND OVERALL IS FOR MORE NORMAL  
TO SLIGHTLY BELOW NORMAL TEMPERATURES FOR THIS TIME OF YEAR, WHICH  
WILL FEEL QUITE DIFFERENT GIVEN THE ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES  
EXPERIENCED IN OCTOBER AND THE FIRST HALF OF NOVEMBER.  
 
WE REMAIN IN NEUTRAL EL NINO CONDITIONS, ALTHOUGH IT IS STILL  
EXPECTED TO CREEP INTO LA NINA TERRITORY FOR THE WINTER MONTHS, AND  
A WEAKER LA NINA IS EXPECTED. MEANWHILE, THE NORTH AMERICAN  
OSCILLATION (NAO) IS CURRENTLY IN A NEGATIVE PHASE AND SHOULD REMAIN  
SLIGHTLY NEGATIVE INTO EARLY DECEMBER. FOR THE GREAT LAKES, THIS  
MORE DIRECTLY TRANSLATES TO A LACK OF SUSTAINED MILDER CONDITIONS  
THAT WE HAVE SEEN RECENTLY, WHICH MESHES WITH THE LONG RANGE MODEL  
ENSEMBLES. WHILE IT IS GOING TOO FAR TO SAY THAT IT WILL BE COLD,  
MORE NORMAL TO SLIGHTLY BELOW NORMAL TEMPERATURES FOR THE REGION, ON  
THE WHOLE WITH SOME NATURAL VARIABILITY, SHOULD PREVAIL.  
 
TAKING A BROAD LOOK AT THE GREAT LAKES, AVERAGE LAKE-WIDE SURFACE  
WATER TEMPERATURES ARE 3-6 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT ABOVE NORMAL FOR MID  
NOVEMBER WITH LAKE ERIE AND LAKE MICHIGAN ON THE HIGHER END OF THAT  
RANGE. COMPARING THIS WITH AVERAGES TAKEN FROM A DATABASE THAT GOES  
BACK TO 1995, LAKE ERIE AND LAKE HURON ARE CURRENTLY THE WARMEST  
THEY HAVE BEEN ON THE WHOLE SINCE THIS PERIOD OF RECORD BEGAN. LAKE  
SUPERIOR AND LAKE MICHIGAN ARE IN THE TOP 3 AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS,  
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A FAIRLY LIMITED DATABASE.  
 
WE WILL BE WATCHING THE SYSTEM THIS WEEKEND CLOSELY IN REFERENCE TO  
THE EXPECTED WINDY CONDITIONS ACROSS THE LAKES AND HOW MUCH THOSE  
SURFACE WATER TEMPERATURES COME DOWN HEADING THROUGH NEXT WEEK.  
 
CURRENT SURFACE WATER TEMPERATURES ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES HAVE LAKE  
SUPERIOR RUNNING THE 40S WITH THE COOLEST WATERS IN THE WESTERN END.  
FOR LAKE MICHIGAN, THE NORTHERN HALF IS IN THE LOWER TO MID 50S,  
WHILE THE SOUTHERN HALF HAS POCKETS OF UPPER 40S APPEARING, BUT  
STILL DOMINANT IN THE LOWER TO MID 50S AS WELL. LAKE HURON CURRENTLY  
SEES TEMPERATURES IN THE UPPER 40S NORTH TO THE LOWER TO MID 50S  
SOUTH, AND FOR LAKE ERIE, LOW TO MID 50S LAKE-WIDE. WHITEFISH BAY IS  
AROUND 50F, ST MARY'S RIVER IS CURRENTLY IN THE LOWER TO MID  
40S, AND LAKE ST. CLAIR IS ALSO AROUND 50F. NO SIGNIFICANTLY COLDER  
WATER IS PRESENT IN ANY OF THE AREAS THAT TYPICALLY RESPOND QUICKER,  
INCLUDING DULUTH HARBOR, GREEN BAY, BIG/LITTLE BAY DE NOC, THE  
STRAITS OF MACKINAC, SAGINAW BAY, OR THE WESTERN THIRD OF LAKE ERIE.  
BUT THAT MAY CHANGE AS WE GET INTO EARLY DECEMBER.  
 
FOR THIS ISSUANCE, NO SIGNIFICANT ICE FORMATION IS EXPECTED IN THE  
NEXT TWO WEEKS. SKIM ICE COULD BE POSSIBLE TOWARDS THE END OF THIS  
TWO WEEK PERIOD IN NEARSHORE, SHALLOWER AREAS OF THE FAR NORTHERN  
GREAT LAKES REGION AFTER A COLD OVERNIGHT IF THERE IS ENOUGH  
SUSTAINED SUB-FREEZING TEMPERATURES LEADING UP TO IT TO GET THE  
SURFACE WATER TEMPERATURES DOWN TO THE MID 30S.  
 
ICE FORMATION IS DETERMINED BY TWO FACTORS: THE AMOUNT OF HEAT  
STORED IN THE WATER FROM THE SUMMER AND HOW FAST THAT HEAT CAN BE  
REMOVED BY ARCTIC OUTBREAKS OF POLAR AIR AND HIGH WINDS. LONG RANGE  
OUTLOOKS DO NOT CONSIDER THE "STORMINESS" FACTOR WHICH CAN  
SIGNIFICANTLY ALTER THE THERMAL STRUCTURE OF THE LAKE OVER SHORT  
PERIODS OF TIME.  
 
FREEZING DEGREE DAY ACCUMULATIONS AT SELECTED STATIONS  
COMPARED TO NORMAL CALCULATED ON TUE NOV 19:  
 
LOCATION DATE NORMAL CURRENT  
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DULUTH, MN NOV 17 10 0  
MARQUETTE, MI NOV 17 6 0  
SAU_S_MAR, MI NOV 17 0 0  
GREENBAY, WI NOV 17 0 0  
MILWAUKEE, WI NOV 17 0 0  
CHICAGO, IL NOV 17 0 0  
MUSKEGON, MI NOV 17 0 0  
ALPENA, MI NOV 17 0 0  
DETROIT, MI NOV 17 0 0  
TOLEDO, OH NOV 17 0 0  
CLEVELAND, OH NOV 17 0 0  
BUFFALO, NY NOV 17 0 0  
 
THE NEXT FREEZE-UP OUTLOOK WILL BE ISSUED IN APPROXIMATELY TWO WEEKS.  
 

 
 
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